We all seem to have become desensitised

  Forum Editor 09:37 15 Feb 2018
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to mass shootings in America - so much so, that yet another horrific incident at a school hasn't yet been mentioned here.

Donald Trump has sent his usual condolences and prayers to those who have lost loved ones, and Florida Senator Marco Rubio has trotted out the - by now familiar - statement that it is too soon to tell whether tighter gun control laws would have prevented such an outrage.

Donald Trump is on record as saying that his promise to gun-owning Americans is that he will "never, ever" do anything to threaten the second amendment. Pressure will mount, however and it will be interesting to see if it has any real effect. Increasing numbers of American citizens are realising that something has to be done to stop the awful tide of mass killings in their country.

If you take the American Gun violence archive's definition, a mass shooting is any incident in which four or more people are shot by a single person in the same location at the same time. That being the case, there were 307 mass shootings in America in 2017 alone and the five worst incidents in American history have all occurred in the past ten years.

Something is quite obviously going seriously wrong, and it doesn't take a genius to work out that easy access to guns is at the bottom of it. A gun can turn a normally weak, ineffectual person with a grudge into a killing machine and there is never a shortage of such people in any society. In this context the only difference between America and most other countries is that any American over the age of 18 can buy a shotgun or rifle simply by filling in a form. A short phone call to carry out a background check ensues, and the gun is handed over. Children younger than 18 may possess guns that were given to them by parents or guardians as gifts, provided that they have written permission.

Some States allow handguns to be carried openly on the streets or in cars without permits of any kind.

To most of us, it is incomprehensible but in America it is considered a fundamental right and that is the huge problem facing advocates of stricter gun control laws.

  Menzie 17:33 22 Feb 2018

The arming of teachers isn't a good thing. As said above in today's society the consequences for a teacher ending a life in self defense would be horrendous.

What if a teacher is punched or assaulted, would the individual have enough restraint to not use a weapon in retaliation?

What if the student they killed is of a certain background?

Would a teacher be able to kill? It's one thing to point a gun at another person but to take a life?

What happens then? Is the teacher a hero or do they have to go through the court system and prove that it was necessary?

Again it's a system that in my mind just wouldn't work.

  Forum Editor 17:56 22 Feb 2018

This is an example of the mindless claptrap that Donald Trump churns out - Tweeted by him today, in support of the National Rifle Association's call for teachers in schools to be armed:-

"What many people don’t understand, or don’t want to understand, is that Wayne, Chris and the folks who work so hard at the @NRA are Great People and Great American Patriots. They love our Country and will do the right thing. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

The 'right thing' would be to eliminate the need (if there is one) for teachers to be armed at work, and that could be accomplished by eliminating the right to bear arms that every American citizen was granted by the second amendment. Any government with any genuine sense of responsibility wouldn't think twice about it.

  Belatucadrus 21:23 22 Feb 2018

On the plus side at least President Trump having been bought and paid for by the NRA isn't biting the hand that feeds him. They must reckon him $11.4 million well spent. His loyalty to his paymasters in the face of sequential massacres and rising public anger proves him a reliable loyal investment.

  geoff96 22:15 22 Feb 2018

Ironic situation

Trump shot by a NRA member.

  Quickbeam 06:20 23 Feb 2018

Well if we're not sure that the tutors would want to tote guns, an armed security guard wasn't prepared to go in guns blazing either.

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And yesterday Trump was talking about using ex services personnel, he'll probably use this as a reason to push this idea some more.

  wee eddie 10:02 23 Feb 2018

I feel sorry for the Police Officer. I gather that he was ex-Army and would have been able to identify the type of gun being used by the assailant but not know who the assailant was.

He would know that his Bullet Proof Vest was insufficient to stop a bullet from the automatic rifle he could hear. He would know that the firearm he had, was insufficient to penetrate an Army Grade Bullet Proof Vest.

In other words, if they both received a body shot, he would die and the gunman would not. Basically a death sentence. Can you blame him.

Also there is a current scandal, admittedly not it Florida, that the families of shot officers are not getting appropriate State Benefits

  john bunyan 16:42 23 Feb 2018

New School uniform link for US Children.

Body armour

  Quickbeam 07:13 24 Feb 2018

There seems to be a growing gun control movement growing out of this shooting with corporate firms no longer offering discounts to NRA members amid moves to boycott them.

It's quite ironic that this is happening on Trump's watch where Obama couldn't make any positive headway.

It this because of trump's amateurish way of speaking in the defence of firearms?

  Forum Editor 07:35 24 Feb 2018

"It this because of trump's amateurish way of speaking in the defence of firearms?"

It's because lots of Americans - particularly young Americans - have got the message that killing sprees will not stop, as long as people can buy guns so easily.

Donald Trump's apparent inability to utter a sensible sentence on this issue is probably fueling the fire.

That the president of a country which wants to see itself as a sophisticated, 21st century society is endorsing a proposal that teachers in schools should carry guns, is both astonishing and shameful.

  Quickbeam 07:40 24 Feb 2018

NRA's Mr LaPierre said "opportunists" were using the 14 February tragedy, in which 17 people were killed, to expand gun control and abolish US gun rights.

No... do you really think so...?

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