USA still hasn't banned asbestos.

  rdave13 22:43 19 Jan 2013

I was surprised to find that the USA, as of up to 2011 still hasn't banned Asbestos. link. Reading Wikipedia "The first diagnosis of asbestosis was made in the UK in 1924" link for what it's worth.. We were also 'slow' to condemn Asbestos in all its forms, link.

Wonder why the Americans accept this as asbestos has been a well known killer for many,many decades?

  Mr Mistoffelees 22:54 19 Jan 2013

Asbestos may not be banned there but, the US government are well aware of the dangers: US Environmental Protection Agency. Laws banning asbestos were put in place in 1989, however, this ban was overturned in the courts.

  rdave13 23:09 19 Jan 2013

Mr Mistoffelees. I had read that article previously. Still they over-ruled the banning. Money still talks in the USA. link.

Still a bad deal with someone who knows nothing about asbestos and does a bit of DIY.

  rdave13 23:24 19 Jan 2013

I remember, back in the 80's, when I was a joiner, using a product called 'asbestolux' if memory serves me right. It was commonly used as a soffit cover under neath the eaves. I made my feeling known to my then boss about asbestos and remember being told it was perfectly harmless. Young and dumb at the time and I accepted his answer and continued to hand saw the material without a dust mask.

What is so annoying is that this material was known to be a killer back in the 30's and is still being used.

  Fruit Bat /\0/\ 11:53 20 Jan 2013

Use to work in dust clouds of the stuff when changing exhausts or even re-lagging the exhausts with "asbestos tape".

Wasn't until the late 70's we were told it was bad and issued with masks. but still got it all over our overalls. Finally stopped using it in the earlier 80's approx 5yrs later

Some of the older vehicles cabs were insulated with Blue Asbestos but that was then removed at that time.

One of my friends died last year of Asbestosis. Takes about 25yrs before it shows and then a few more years to kill you.

  spuds 12:12 20 Jan 2013

I still wonder if this subject is being taken really seriously, because we hear about health and safety, and how that should be implemented, and at the same time, see total acts of neglect.

A number of council houses in my area had asbestos panels fitted for certain purposes, possibly more for cheapness and convenience than anything else. And its now come the time when the maintenance procedures are starting to pick this problem up, as to whether the panels are hazardous or not. It makes you tremble, when you see arrive in the street, a set of specialist contractor's towable cabins, with all the special equipment for asbestos removal. Then at the same time, possibly due to work time schedules, workmen just throwing these panels and bagged materials onto the back of a lorry?.

I also notice the amount of court claims being made by families of the now deceased person, and are mostly being won to some extent. Its also rather baffling how some people mentioned, may have had only minimal contact with asbestos dust, when others worked in the dust constantly, yet both followed the very same fate, and had to argue their cases, because the evidence didn't seem consistent?.

  spuds 12:14 20 Jan 2013

Perhaps should have added to above: Posted by spuds (no usernames appearing).

  wee eddie 14:31 20 Jan 2013

Asbestos and a common misconception.

Asbestos is dangerous ~ Yes.

However, the presence of asbestos does not put you in danger until someone starts turning it into dust.

So, those Asbestos Sheets that were used as insulation in the past, because it 'is' one of the very best insulators available, are perfectly safe until you start pulling them out, sawing, breaking or drilling them. Even then, only a relatively few of those that have done this are affected by Asbestosis.


All those that have Asbestosis have been in contact with Asbestos Dust, usually the "Blue" form rather than the "Brown" or "White".


Not all those that have contact with Asbestos Dust develop Asbestisis.

  morddwyd 15:41 20 Jan 2013

At last, some common sense, thank you wee eddie.

When I was still in H&S it was not unknown for a risk assessment to show that leaving asbestos in place was a lesser risk than removing it.

On more than one occasion my recommendation was "Leave well alone".

  Woolwell 16:33 20 Jan 2013

You need to know that asbestos is present so that you do not disturb it or if has to be disturbed that the correct precautions are undertaken. Many buildings that are used by the general public have had an asbestos survey. It is the duty of the owner to warn any workmen of the presence of asbestos.

Many domestic garages have/had asbestos roofing sheets. The risk is very low indeed with this type of asbestos. However brown or blue asbestos is very dangerous.

  spuds 16:38 20 Jan 2013

But possibly the point is, that "Leave well alone" is starting to come back and haunt some of us?.

A typical case in my hometown, was a large factory that was going to be converted into small business units or possibly student accommodation. The factory was purchased, and the buyer commenced to remove certain items, and asbestos and other hazardous items were found. The project did not go ahead, because the purchaser of the property had not allowed for an expensive clean-up bill. The purchaser of the property as subsequently filed for bankruptcy. The council are now talking about taking steps for removal of any confirmed or supposed hazardous waste and items including large quantities of asbestos, at possibly cost to the taxpayer?.

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