On-the-spot fines planned for careless driving

  wids001 07:22 11 May 2011

Is this plan too simplistic? According to the report critics claim careless driving is not clear cut.


  wee eddie 07:51 11 May 2011

It makes good sense to me.

Although there is the ever present possibility of either error on the part of the Issuer or even Victimisation of the Recipient. This is an ever present possibility and would be difficult to cover in law.

It should be possible, like a Parking Fine, to take the Issuer to Court if the Receiver feels that they have been ill-served.

  bremner 08:06 11 May 2011

My local force currently struggles to provide officers for all their multi role tasks.

They are to lose 700 officers due to the cuts.

Where are the remaining officers going to find the opportunity to issue such tickets?

Another scheme that will have virtually no impact on road safety.

  Quickbeam 08:26 11 May 2011

Hoorah! If it ever sees the light of day...

  Quickbeam 08:31 11 May 2011

Just to balance things out... Dangerous Cycling Law

  birdface 09:25 11 May 2011

What is the difference if they are driving carelessly they will be pulled over and given a ticket so same outcome. Maybe since a lot of speed camera's no longer work they have to get funds in from elsewhere. So what's next doing 72 Mph on the motorway will you be charged with speeding or driving carelessly. After 40 years of driving I cannot see the difference instant fine or ticket just sounds the same to me. And it will be open to abuse by the good cop bad cop routine. If you have not met a bad one yet you are in for a treat when you do. I am afraid it is those ones that give the police a bad name.

So what will be the difference,a ticket you can appeal against I suppose an on the spot fine you could do the same.

Obviously an on the spot fine does not mean that you have to pay it when it happens as you may not have any cash on you.Or will they impound your vehicle until you do pay. Anybody ever notice that most car Mirrors have a blind spot on them that do not detect cars right beside you in an other lane. A few times I have signaled to move out on to another lane on the motorway only to see the car at the last minute and get back into lane or a blast from the car to warn you. Now this would be classed as careless driving and if it has never happened to you it would certainly scare you. By law it would be your fault but what can you do you look in your mirror and pull out you do not see the car on your right hand side and this must have caused loads of accidents on Motorways. So sometimes it is the car that has a flaw in it and not the driver although he or she would still be charged with dangerous driving. I will point out I have not hit any other car but came close a few times because of the blind spot on the mirror.

I seem to be rambling a bit as usual but thought that I would add the mirror bit for those that have not experienced it yet and point out that it was a small van I was driving, so maybe with cars you can see out of the side windows to see traffic better.

  Quickbeam 09:46 11 May 2011

Did his boot need much tidying?

  Bingalau 09:55 11 May 2011

The police in some European countries fine you on the spot. I was stopped in my British registered car, in Germany when following my son in his German registered car. We came to a speed limit area and I slowed down (my son kept to the speed we had been doing.) A few hundred yards later I was pulled over and asked for my passport. The police took that, then issued me with a speeding ticket to be payed for on the spot or I wouldn't get my passport back. I am still convinced I was pulled over as "easy meat" because of my British number plate. I also still know I was not speeding. That is the only time I have ever been stopped by police in sixty years of driving.

The system would work here if we all carried ID cards/passports I suppose.

  Bingalau 09:57 11 May 2011

May I suggest a quick glance over your right shoulder when changing lanes on motorways etc. (as motorcyclists do, I hope).

  interzone55 10:11 11 May 2011

This is very easy to manage with motorway cameras already in place.

The cameras on bridges currently just monitor the speed of traffic flow for use the the Traffic England traffic information website, but with appropriate software they can be used to measure the distance between cars, so if traffic is flowing at 70mph, there should be a good gap between cars, if the camera spots that a car is hanging off the bumper of another vehicle then a camera on the other side of the bridge can grab the number-plate of the second car.

The cameras can also be used to detect under-taking by monitoring vehicles moving faster on the inside lane, although this could be easily contested in court if you can prove you were simply passing an idiot travelling at 50mph in the middle lane when the inside lane was clear....

  Quickbeam 10:31 11 May 2011

All these suggestions for how to also use existing technology just say to me the day of the compulsory automatic gap sensors applying brakes and GPS speed monitoring are getting closer.

I think my dad had the best of post war motoring, by 1985 when he died he commented that there was no enjoyment left in motoring. When he got his first car in the early '50s he was only the second one on several streets to have one, the other was the doctor.

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