This is a sad situation, and no mistake.

  Forum Editor 18:14 21 Dec 2015
  Flak999 18:29 21 Dec 2015

But totally predictable! I said in previous threads on Afghanistan that give it a year and the country would be back in the hands of the Taliban. OK,so a year has passed. The last British troops left in October 2014, it is now December 2015 and my prediction is so far, astray by two months!

The Afghan national army and police are going the same way as the Iraqi army and police, they are reverting to type! All those billions of pounds in training and equipment we and the US provided, all those lives of our troops lost and for what?

Afghanistan will be a basket case again within the next year, what will happen to all of the expensive western military equipment? The Taliban and daesh must be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of all that ordnance coming their way!

Why do we never learn?

To put it crudely, you can't polish a turd!

  kad292 18:38 21 Dec 2015

Sad, yes but also inevitable.It has a formidable reputation over the centuries for being unconquerable and from the Great Game between Imperial Russia and GB to the present debacle it has an history all to bloodily replicated.

It seems that the only legacy one generation leaves to the next is that of fear and distrust of authority whether Taliban,Government within or foreign or the local warlords who live in the shadows.

Between friend or foe it seems a despairing existence.

  Forum Editor 18:47 21 Dec 2015

"Between friend or foe it seems a despairing existence."

Yes, and as we all prepare for another Christmas, with food, warmth, and the company of friends and family it's worth reflecting on how lucky we are to live in a country that is wealthy, has a stable society, and the rule of law.

We come here often to debate the shortcomings of our government, our public services, and other aspects of our society and there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes, however, we get a reminder - like this one - that we are very lucky indeed. We have freedom of choice in so many ways, and in lots of other countries around the world that is just a dream.

  VCR97 18:57 21 Dec 2015

Someone with experience in Afghanistan was being interviewed on "Today" (Radio 4) this morning. He said that the Afghan army was OK but that the police were a bunch of child-molesters, drug addicts, thieves and kidnappers. If he is correct the outlook is not good.

  Flak999 19:16 21 Dec 2015


"the outlook is not good."

That is the understatement of the year! The outlook has never been good, you cannot take a backward country whos populace has changed little in outlook and education since the dark ages and expect it to become a beacon of western democracy!

All of these Islamic medieval states are living as if it is still the thirteenth century, nothing that we in the west can do will change any of that, and to be frank it was pointless even trying!

  VCR97 19:50 21 Dec 2015

Too true!

  wee eddie 22:15 21 Dec 2015

Western Politicians have totally failed to understand the ways of the Middle East. They chose to ignore history and the populations have suffered for it.

Much as we would like to see the advantages of Western Civilisation be given to their population. They are not prepared to give up their old allegiances and feuds. Reverting to type soon after the Western Interlopers have gone. A look at Africa will confirm that. There is now hardly a single State that is not a Dictatorship or swiftly becoming one.

  bumpkin 22:47 21 Dec 2015

Flak makes his valid points which I agree with.

" another Christmas, with food, warmth, and the company of friends and family it's worth reflecting on how lucky we are to live in a country that is wealthy,"

Your OK and so am I but there a lot of people living in this country in poverty. This should not be the case when millions are given out in foreign aid

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