Royal Review

  wee eddie 16:22 03 Jun 2012

When she was Crowned, she reviewed The Fleet.

Now, for her Diamond Jubilee, she has a Day Trip on the Thames.

Could the lack of a Fleet have something to do with it?

  Flak999 16:29 03 Jun 2012

Interesting article about that from the Daily Telegraph

" And today? Allowing for inflation, Britain’s GDP is four times greater than in 1953 but the country appears incapable of maintaining a viable fleet. Today it comprises two helicopter carriers, 1 active assault ship, six destroyers, 13 frigates, 42 minor vessels and 13 auxiliaries. Take away escorts on operations or in refit and the Navy would, as Lord West says, struggle to field more than a handful for a review. But one thing our increasingly Ruritanian fleet is not short of is admirals. There are 28 full, vice and rear admirals, one per major combat unit, surely the most over-managed structure in the country."

Shame really!

  john bunyan 16:49 03 Jun 2012

Yes and I think the share of GDP on Defence as whole has gone from about 5% to 2%. We have no Fixed wing Fleet air arm so could not do a"Falklands", and are reducing the immediate amphibious response from a brigade to a battalion sized battle group. I agree there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians. It will be too late if a real threat unexpectedly appears - we need 8-10 years notice, apparently , to get aircraft on to carriers

  Condom 17:11 03 Jun 2012

I remember her Coronation well as there were dozens of us in our next door neighbour's house watching a 12" screen in a box the size of a wardrobe. The fly past Buckingham Palace took forever but would probably be over so fast today you would hardly notice it. Things change and I can't say that I am too sad to see less weapons of warfare in our country despite what we have being probably thousands of times more deadly that what we had in 1952.

  Forum Editor 18:32 03 Jun 2012

I think that today's event was more about the people participating in a show of loyalty and affection than a show of military might.

Despite the atrocious weather it seemed to me that it was generally enjoyed by those who took part, and probably by the majority of those who watched it around the world.

  john bunyan 18:40 03 Jun 2012

I agree, it was so well planned, and probably far more inclusive than a military occasion would have been. The detail of timing and even the dispersal arrangements must have taken a lot of people a lot of time. This country can at least say we do these things better than most.I wish I could have been there - I did sleep on the pavement in the Mall for the Coronation, but could not repeat such a thing this time!

  Forum Editor 18:54 03 Jun 2012

john bunyan

I have friends who were there, and they called a few minutes ago to say that although they are soaked to the skin they had a marvellous time. They said they couldn't believe how well-managed the event seems to have been, and how efficiently the crowds are being dispersed from the riverside roads.

In a couple of hours London will have resumed its normal routines, although I imagine the river will be busy for some time.

  john bunyan 20:03 03 Jun 2012

Let us hope the Olympic Games goes as well as the Jubilee!

  Woolwell 21:10 03 Jun 2012

I took part in the Silver Jubilee Fleet Review flypast in bad weather. Nowadays we don't really have a fleet. A review now would be of a few ships.

Agree that there are too many senior officers but so do the other 2 services and I suspect ranks are kept high to keep an equal voice. Not a good argument and all 3 services should have a cull of senior officer ranks.

  Snec 01:32 04 Jun 2012

I'm not against a bit of pomp and ceremony at all, in fact it can be quite jolly, but I do think when medals are worn they should mean something. I have just been researching what all Prince Charles' medals are for - I found that most of them are roughly equal to the sort of commemorative badges children wear.

Why on earth is it thought necessary, or even slightly desirable for an adult member of the Royal Family to be adorned with such trinkets? If they were real medals awarded for carrying out some notable deeds then that would be a different thing but when people know what they are does it not make him appear foolish?

  Snec 09:52 04 Jun 2012

fourm member

I realise all that and I feel it's fine for children and that is really my point.

Most people who as youngsters could feel justifiably proud to wear their cycling proficiency badges as children would feel foolish doing so later in life.

BTW, despite any definitions, I believe my understanding of what medals are for, or should be for, is more universal, in the real world, than you imagine.

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