£3 billion spent and still on xp?

  john bunyan 09:56 27 Jun 2017

The new a/c carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth appears to use windows XP. Maybe a golden opportunity as consultant for FE?

Queen Elizabeth

  Govan1x 10:34 27 Jun 2017

Obviously the best version of windows for the navy and a lot of big businesses.

I would think W10 is not user friendly for some businesses or for that matter some users.

So why do they not come out with a new version of XP for those that would want to use it without all the bundled crap on it.

I can see your point of view why have a state of the art Aircraft Carrier with an ancient version of XP on it.

Maybe because it is less complicated than W10 but you have to think that the navy must know what's best for communications on board.

I would think as the new Aircraft carrier uses it all naval ships will also still use it.

  john bunyan 10:54 27 Jun 2017

I have no problems with W 10 . It just seems odd to have such an old system on a new ship.

  Old Deuteronomy 11:35 27 Jun 2017

Obviously the best version of windows for the navy and a lot of big businesses.

A sixteen year old OS, long past the end of support, cannot be the best version of windows for any business or public body. Comments attributed to the Commander Air, suggest things may change as commissioning progresses.

  oresome 11:37 27 Jun 2017

Reminds me of the time I worked for a communications company that manufactured low volume command and control systems.

Because production had great difficulty buying in computer equipment that worked with the in-house developed software, they forward bought when they found suitable items.

In the field we were often faced with PC kit and a Winows version that was already outdated on installation and if a failure occurred some months or years down the road we'd extreme difficulty finding suitable replacements.

It was a manufacturer who was used to producing a new model every few years facing a digital revolution that progressed by the month with development costs that were hard to recover with the low volumes produced.

I expect it's something similar with military kit even though the budgets are much bigger.

  Cymro. 11:44 27 Jun 2017

I assume and very much hope there is more to this than appears at first. If they do have XP then do they still need to use the same sort of security that we home users have? Perhaps they develop their own in house security software. If it is just standard XP with the usual security then they are asking for trouble.

  Forum Editor 12:32 27 Jun 2017

I stand ready to serve if needed.

One of the problems with highly complex military weapons systems is that software is specially written for them - at considerable expense. Targeting and guidance software needs to be as reliable as possible, the last thing you need is operating system incompatibilies requiring expensive redevelopment work.

It may well be the case that this ship's weaponry and navigational software is being redeveloped to make it compatible with a newer Windows version, and XP is simply being used in the meantime. The ship isn't going to be fully operational until 2020.

  wee eddie 13:02 27 Jun 2017

As no one has yet mentioned. I believe that it currently has no suitable planes!

  MLA2000 13:52 27 Jun 2017

Looks like the XP machines will be powering specialist equipment and kept isolated from outside networks. It looks like XP is being used because of how long it has been around and demonstrated to be fairly reliable.

They may be running an embedded version of XP which has already been setup to provide the exact same experience and the exact same software as other ships. (IE I've seen Tyne and Wear Metro trains with XP embedded systems in the driver cabs still in service, likely because of them needing software that cannot run on modern versions of Windows.

  john bunyan 16:44 27 Jun 2017

All a potential enemy needs, then, is a hacker like the NHS had recently! With all their advanced systems I wonder if they can operate if the system crashes??


  Forum Editor 17:09 27 Jun 2017

john bunyan

A friend of mine is involved in writing software for missile guidance systems for the MOD. I've tried asking him all sorts of questions about security on the operating system side of the firing command end of things, but he just gives me the standard OSA 'If I told you I would have to kill you' response.

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