Not another Navy Lark?

  john bunyan 15:13 26 Jul 2014

HMS Troutbridge was clearly less interesting than HMS Portland.

Lady Captain

  Forum Editor 17:05 26 Jul 2014

Despite what some people think to the contrary you can't change human nature. Put men and women together in ships,and sooner or later the inevitable will happen.

The UK government acknowledges the situation, and says that relationships are permitted, but they must not undermine ‘trust and cohesion’ or damage ‘operational effectiveness’. Quite how someone makes a judgement as to when those parameters have been exceeded is beyond me.

  john bunyan 17:32 26 Jul 2014

Forum Editor

I entirely agree, but in this case, if true, (and the same would have applied had the captain been a man) what went on ashore with anyone is private. But as the Commanding Officer you have to set an outstanding example in such matters and, if this case is true, she showed a complete lack of judgement. How could she have disciplined others of her crew, if the copied her, had the need arisen?

  Forum Editor 18:55 26 Jul 2014

Let's remember that at the moment there is an allegation. Nothing has been confirmed, and no investigation has yet taken place.

  Flak999 19:24 26 Jul 2014

Another reason if one were needed why women serving alongside men in the military is a bad idea! The same happens in all walks of life, before we had women in the fire service it was just like the military before they had woman serving alongside men.

As soon as we had women on station regardless of what they looked like, someone wanted to s**g them! It's just human nature, you can't ban it, you can't legislate against it and you certainly can't stop it!

You just have to accept it, or revert to the old way of doing things!

  Aitchbee 21:48 26 Jul 2014

A simple solution? Employ a suitably trained hair-make-up artist to make female captains appear more masculine ie, fake beards and moustaches.

  Aitchbee 21:55 26 Jul 2014

... or something along the lines of a Groucho Marx instant lookalike kit.

  Flak999 00:13 27 Jul 2014


"If you have met some of the women then you would realise that some are as bad as the men for chasing the opposite sex"

Believe me I have! You are correct, some women are far worse than men! We had the dolly birds with their coy come hither looks, then there were the butch, bull dykes who felt they had something to prove. You know, they could out swear, out wrestle, smoke twenty capstan full strength and drink you under the table!

If you put 10 men and women together in a contained environment for any length of time three will be s**ging each other senseless, three will be arguing about each others sexist behaviour and the last four will be trying to get on with the job! (with limited success!)

No! Give me the old demarcation days, some jobs men do better than women and some jobs women do better than men!

  HondaMan 16:08 28 Jul 2014

Women can be much more aggressive than men (think spiders). Our local pub had 4 darts teams, 2 male and 2 female,. The women drank, smoked and swore very much more than the men and out of 15 or so women, including reserves, there were only 2 or 3 that you could call "lookers". That's with an "L" guys, not an "h".

  john bunyan 16:20 28 Jul 2014

I accept that (unprofessional as it may be in my view) that the occasional workplace "dalliance" will occur, even in the armed forces. My main point however was that, if this case is true, then a RN Ship's Captain of either sex (in this case a Commander, equal in rank to an Army Lt Col - who may well be a Battalion Commander) must be held to a higher standard of behaviour. Such a senior officer must not compromise their authority by breaking such rules. I believe that the same should be true in business, but not with the same "punishment". A CEO or MD having a relationship with a more junior member of staff is morally wrong and undermines their position of authority.

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