No confidence vote against the PM soon.

  Govan1x 10:05 10 Jan 2019
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It was revealed on the news this morning that from a labour spokesman that there would be a no confidence vote against the Prime Minister soon.

It seems all other political party's have agreed to this so just a matter of waiting to see how the prime minister deals with the brexit question and whether she keeps to her deal only.

It does not look like her deal is going to survive and if so she has 3 days on which to ammend her deal.

A way out of it maybe be to stand down and let another Tory party Mp be PM.

Obviously a new general election maybe called for but maybe a case of out of the frying pan and into the Fire comes to mind.

Just when we thought things could not get any worse it looks like it will.

Myself i think the EU is trying there best to keep us in the EU and it is a warning to other countries not to try it.

So the only way out of being bullied into accepting something that none of us want would of course be a no deal. Any other deal and there is only one winner and it is not us.

Looks like this saga is going to continue for years to come and with the country split down the middle it is not going to be easy to resolve.

No party that takes us out of the EU or keeps us in will never be popular for a long time.

No matter what Party it is there will be no winners in the long run.

  Forum Editor 10:35 17 Jan 2019

Quickbeam

Do you have a flagpole on your roof, and ring the duty watch bells?

  wee eddie 14:41 17 Jan 2019

Back to square one.

  Forum Editor 15:19 17 Jan 2019

Back to square one.

In one sense I suppose, but there are some givens....

The EU negotiators have categorically stated that a renegotiation process is not an option, regardless of whether or not we have a change of government.

As far as the EU is concerned we have three available options, and three only:-

  1. Leave with the deal that has already been agreed, and is currently being ratified by the EU.

  2. Leave with no deal at all.

  3. Revoke article 50 and remain as we are, with full EU membership.

EU officials couldn't care less about our internal political wrangles - that has nothing whatever to do with them, and they will not, at this late stage entertain a request to delay the leave date - that would have to be agreed by each individual member state, and there isn't time for it to happen.

We have trapped ourselves, and it's up to our elected representatives in parliament to get us out of the situation that to a large extent they have created, and which some of them are now deliberately making much worse to satisfy their personal political aspirations.

If ever there was a time for politicians of all parties to set their personal ambitions aside and act together in the national interest, this is it. I suspect that by and large we, the voters can understand that - it's time that our MPs realised it as well.

  john bunyan 15:31 17 Jan 2019

FE

The differences are so entrenched that a satisfactory solution seems unlikely. The defeat , with 118 Tories voting against the only deal on offer and Corbyn refusing to talk unless No Deal is taken off the table makes an even more disastrous election more likely. What a useless bunch we have in Parliament

  Forum Editor 17:30 17 Jan 2019

john bunyan

Despite the crushing defeat over the existing proposed deal, it should be possible to get some form of consensus with goodwill on all sides.

Unfortunately, Jeremy Corbyn seems determined to be as obstructive as possible. He senses that it's now or never for him, and he's probably right - he wants a revolution, and history tells us that revolutions are more likely to succeed when there is an atmosphere of disarray.

Observers seem to be saying that there is a general feeling amongst voters that they want this matter to be over and done with, and only parliament can do it. We, the people have already had our say - we gave the government a clear instruction, and the government made us a promise. Parliament passed the European Union (Notification of withdrawal) Act in 2017, which gave Theresa May the power to go ahead with Brexit in our name. At the time, Jeremy Corbyn said (in connection with the vote on the Act): "I am asking all our MPs not to block Article 50 and make sure it goes through next week".

Now it appears that he has changed his agenda, and wants to block just about everything in sight. He's weak, and he's pandering to the likes of John McDonnell (a much stronger character) who wants the UK to become a socialist republic, whatever it takes.

Together they will do anything they can to grab power, and in the process they will make all kinds of promises that cannot possibly be fulfilled. I don't think that the British people are gullible enough to fall for it, but I could be wrong.

  Quickbeam 19:24 17 Jan 2019

"and in the process they will make all kinds of promises that cannot possibly be fulfilled."

Isn't that just the normal party politics?

  john bunyan 19:35 17 Jan 2019

FE

Even as a former Remainer, I accept the democratic result of the referendum. I admire Mrs May’s efforts and am sorry “her” Deal was so badly defeated. I also think that her right wing extremists are a big problem, verging on Jingoistic views.

I also totally agree on Corbyn/ McDonnell. I recommend watching on catch up last night’s TV programme on Chavez , where Livingstone and Corbyn are so much in awe of his “socialism “, and the lessons learned of what happened to Venezuela should frighten any people thinking that this extreme Marxism is a good thing.

Corbyn and McDonnell are keen on Brexit since their policy of nationalisation and state intervention would not be permitted in the EU, but they won’t admit this is their reason. As you say, this mess is being used by them opportunistically in the hope of an election.

The next period is one of turmoil; Parliament may try to overrule the Government to defer ( or even cancel) article 50 . Unless the EU give way on the Backstop, or a single market (with all that entails) is proposed I see little prospect of a settlement. A motion by the Opposition to avoid a no deal by whatever means might succeed in delay to Article 50 . A second referendum would solve nothing.

  wee eddie 20:47 17 Jan 2019

Could someone tell me. Why should the EU offer the UK a better deal?

  Forum Editor 22:44 17 Jan 2019

wee eddie

There is really no incentive for the EU to offer better terms. Nobody should be under any false illusions here, the EU is going to be damaged by our exit - Angela Merkel has said as much on the record - and many senior EU figures would be delighted if we elected to remain.

  Quickbeam 04:42 18 Jan 2019

"Could someone tell me. Why should the EU offer the UK a better deal?"

Could someone tell me why it's taken over two years to realise that obvious statement?

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