MP comes under fire over disabled comment

  john 52 09:07 18 Jun 2011

MP has suggested "vulnerable" jobseekers - including disabled people - should be allowed to work for less than the minimum wag

What a disgrace I am pleased David Cameron has quickly distanced himself from the comment. He should go further and and suspend him from the party until an apology is made by the MP

  Quickbeam 09:32 18 Jun 2011

The real problem lies in the large amount of employers that consider the minimum wage to also be the maximum wage.

If they increased employees wages in proportion to the skills learned beyond a basic starter abilities, then anyone unable to work beyond the basics (whether through learning difficulties, physical disability or a general inability to progress far) can be seen as value for that wage scale.

  carver 09:38 18 Jun 2011

Comments such as his just show what a complete lack of understanding of the problems faced by people with disability's, what would he like them to do, barter for jobs.

I suppose that from his view point disabled people are second class people who should be grateful for any thing they can get, it would be justice if because of his comments he was judged to have learning problems and so should have his pay cut by about £20000 a year.

  canarieslover 10:21 18 Jun 2011

I think that perhaps Philip Davies did not put his point in the most appropriate way. As with any commodity for sale, if the only way you can make a sale is to drop your price then maybe that is what you have to do. We have already seen this with the large influx of Eastern European workers who have done just that to undercut British workers. It is unfortunate that in this day and age that almost all employers will take the able bodied/minded in preference to physically/mentally disabled when the costs are the same. It may well be that we need to give employers some incentive to take the disabled by way of a subsidy, but then isn't that discriminating against the able bodied. It's a very difficult area to sort out when high unemployment means that there are so many people chasing so few jobs. Figures for the area that I live show 10 unemployed for every job vacancy.

  johndrew 11:12 18 Jun 2011

I understand the logic/intention of the comment, but as said above, he could have put it better. It is also true, at least to some extent, about some employers.

It is sad that those businesses that once existed to employ the disabled, perhaps not exclusively but certainly a preference was apparent, have decreased over the years.

  sunnystaines 11:19 18 Jun 2011

the mp is well out of order.

  Colin 11:31 18 Jun 2011

The MP only told it as it is. But he should have known how this would be viewed.

  Cymro. 13:03 18 Jun 2011

This is the Tory party showing it`s true colors. Just imagine what they would do if they had a large enough majority.

  Forum Editor 13:43 18 Jun 2011

"I am pleased David Cameron has quickly distanced himself from the comment."

No doubt he did so because he knew it would attract adverse comment if he backed the MP up. He seems to be turning into a Prime Minister without any sense of direction, reacting in a knee jerk way to situations, rather than managing them.

The simple truth is that disabled people should be allowed the freedom to exercise some influence in the job market, and if that includes being prepared to work for less than the minimum then good luck to them. I think that if I was disabled and it came down to a choice between no job and one that paid under the minimum I might choose to take the job. I would do it, knowing that once I was through the door I might have a chance to prove my worth, and rapidly improve my pay rate.

As usual, there seems to be no shortage of people prepared to get all excited about something without pausing to think it through.

  john 52 14:15 18 Jun 2011

fourm member

It may be, in fact it is, a very uncomfortable truth

So by that comment you seem to support the comments made by the MP! what message is that sending out to prospective employers disabled people struggle with a disability and then told they are not worth the same pay rate than an able bodied person there are many disabled employees who preform better in the workplace than able bodied persons .

An employer should be able to look beyond the disability to see the potential of a candidate

To me it seems just a back door way of getting shut of the minimum wage

  wee eddie 15:03 18 Jun 2011

If a person can do the job, then they should be paid the going rate for that job.

The problems seem to occur when people that are able to do the job, but not without assistance, ask for parity.

Surely an Employer should get some kind of recognition for providing that assistance.

In the 25 years that I had my Café/Restaurant we employed 3 Registered Disabled People. 2 were unable to function without 1 to 1 Assistance, which was disproportionate in a department that covered a 7 day working Week with 3 Full Time Staff with a couple of Part Timers, and they moved on after a couple of months. 1 remained in our employ for many years and I still see her and her parents quite regularly. However, she only required low level assistance and was initially remunerated at a slightly lower level than her peers because of this. After 3 months, she received the same rate, as her Peers, at their request.

I don't really know how this affects the current Thread but i do know that, sometimes, integrating a Disabled Person into a Team is a stressful for all those involved.

There was a Fourth, but Customers appeared to find her presence unacceptable and she left before the first week was out at her Carer's suggestion.

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