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  Forum Editor 13:54 19 Apr 2019
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of this. but in an interview, one of the organisers said that they 'were left with no other option' when their previous protest failed to achieve its objective. Surely, another option would be to engage people in debate, or march peacefully, or capaign on the internet - anything but deliberately setting out to disrupt your fellow citizens' lives day after day.

All of us are being affected by climate change, and its impact is going to increase. I doubt that many people - apart from Donald Trump and his sycophants - can seriously continue to claim that there isn't a problem but...

Are these protesters justified in blocking a big city's streets for days, and announcing that they intend to 'paralyse' Heathrow airport in an attempt to browbeat the government into action? Does anyone have the 'right' to behave as if his /her viewpoint is the right one, and we must all be intimidated into accepting it without debate?

I'm amazed that so may demonstrators can afford to take such a lot of time off work to dance the days and nights away, with not much other than the occasional trip in the back of a Police van or vandalising a building or two by way of diversion.

Who said where are those water cannons?

  Pine Man 10:39 21 Apr 2019

The Leader of the 'Extinction Rebels' drives a - guess what?

Diesel car!!!!!

  x123 13:21 21 Apr 2019

The best way of cutting pollution is a huge effort on birth control,

that may be so but the government want more children, to fund OAP pensions and care in the form of future taxation.

  Quickbeam 15:30 21 Apr 2019

Food for thought...

  Forum Editor 15:56 21 Apr 2019

Quickbeam

Using the same proportionality, if we crack on with it we can replant those forests in 1 minute.

The thing is, we really don't need to replace the trees, they can reproduce themselves. What we need to do is first to halt deforestation and then return the land we have cleared to the forests - they'll do the rest, as will the animals who are in decline.

It's all pretty simple, until you start thinking about how it could be done. What are you going to tell all those Palm oil farmers and the people who work for them when they lose their livelihoods, and can't feed their children? In many countries there are no welfare systems to act as a safety net. If you can't generate any income there's a good chance you will starve.

Changes on a global scale must be driven by the rich countries - we are one of those. Each one of us is going to have to understand that arresting global warming means some pretty serious decisions in terms of our own lifestyles. If we, the rich countries want to see rain-forests regenerating we must first decide how we are going to help those Palm oil farmers,once we start reducing global demand for what they produce.

Palm oil is just one of many instances of how we are contributing to the conditions we see happening. We have created a gigantic problem, and we must create gigantic solutions. The sooner we all start the better, but how do you get all those Co2 polluters to stop doing it, or at least stop doing it on such a huge scale?

Answer that, and you'll go down in history as the modern saviour of countless species, quite apart from our own.

  Ex plorer 16:18 21 Apr 2019

I watched a David Attenborough program last night, very scary indeed on the effects of climate change. Protesting in London is having an affect as it's had a wide coverage in the media, we are talking about it and on line in many forums.

What they need to do is ask what can be done, how can we save our planet. We need a TV program running once or twice weekly on how to achieve it, and change our life style.

How that can be done or where the money will come from I have no idea, There must be experts, in this field that can try and get the ball rolling. I need advise like everyone else and guidance on what makes a difference when buying products. it may take a year or so but now's the time to get organised.

  daz60 16:27 21 Apr 2019

The rich countries have failed,too little success stories in relation to the rhetoric as well as being too wedded to present economic ideologies.

These protesters may seem hypocritical to some,given their need to travel and communicate implies use of polluting technologies, but then like the protesters of old fighting for workers rights or even Human Rights they are willing to take a stand in the face of 'conventional wisdom'.

Amazon is still being depleted,Africa also,extractive technologies rule and even if you replace a tree every minute how long before that once verdant landscape is renewed and returns to what it once was,if ever.

We are the problem and the solution,unfortunately our attitudes bind us to the status quo,either we are willing to make serious sacrifices,as the FE implied,or let our descendants sink in the mire of our selfishness.

During this Brexit travesty people have said that "we/you should look after our own first",well how about looking after EVERONE'S interest,pollution has no boundaries why do we.

  phlinx 21:23 21 Apr 2019

Climate change is a very tricky problem, the simple answer is that we need to rapidly reduce the population, but who is going to volunteer for the chop?? The alternative is using technology to cure the problem, but fusion power has been promised for years and still looks no closer, so no truly clean energy in any significant amounts for the foreseeable future and without that, not much will change.

One small change in the UK, that would help slow pollution, is a ban on shops opening on Sundays. Look how quiet the country was today, far less cars, much less waste and pollution. A very simple idea to implement, but I doubt it will ever happen.

  Forum Editor 22:34 21 Apr 2019

"....but then like the protesters of old fighting for workers rights or even Human Rights they are willing to take a stand in the face of 'conventional wisdom'."

They are not taking a stand in the face of conventional wisdom. They are simply saying what we all know already - that climate change is a real problem that must be addressed.

Their naivety lies in thinking that disrupting the lives of their fellow citizens is somehow going to galvanise everyone into action. They don't have a realistic plan that will achieve their zero emission goal of course, they just bang their drums and glue their hands to roads, saying that the government must act now to halt biodiversity loss, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2025. That is simply not going to happen, no matter how loudly the drums are banged.

In fact, the UK government's first carbon budget covering the period between 2008 and 2012 has been met, and we are currently on track to outperform the second and third budget periods covering the period from 2013 to 2022. By 2017 our carbon emissions were 43% lower than in 1990. Our fourth budget period between 2023 and 2027 is going to be a much bigger challenge, as is our target of reducing carbon emissions by 80% of the 1990 figure by 2050.

That is going to require all of us to make changes in our lifestyle, and that's where the government can help, by stimulating research into scientific ways of reducing emissions without increasing the impact on society to unworkable levels. We will achieve the zero emission figure in time, setting unrealistic targets achieves nothing. The third 'demand' - that our government must create and be led by the decisions of a Citizens’ Assembly on climate and ecological justice is ill-conceived. We already have enough committees and consultation groups - we don't need yet another expensive assembly to muddy the waters.

  Quickbeam 06:58 22 Apr 2019

To be honest I don't think that we're actually doing too badly. We have identified where we're going wrong, and where we need to make changes, which as you pointed out will hurt someone somewhere or another. But in 1974 when I got my first car, I would never have imagined that I'd witness the iminent demise of the internal combustion engine.

Being green minded in '74 was to make sure the separate ring pull on a can got binned, in '84 it was to stop using deodorants and burger boxes containing CFCs, in the 90s we started doing international agreements, in the new millennium we started having international treaties with obligation targets. We're moving in the right direction

These protesters seem to think that we've only just discovered all the environmental harm since Attenborough's plastic in the oceans shocker, and that we can reverse things in a day.

Environmental recovery has been a slow work in process, and will continue to be over the next few centuries, which scaled into the 46 years analogy, will be a couple of minutes. The scale that these naive protesters seem to want is in the blink of an eye...

  amonra9 13:27 22 Apr 2019

I have just come back from France and went through Paris a few times. I wonder if we could import the CRS police force for a a short while to sort out the sitting demonstrators ? They don't waste time talking nicely to sit-downers, either you obey the law and MOVE, or you are flung into a nearby wagon with no respect for age or dignity. They are not well liked in France, but they get the job done and worry about the consequences later.

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