Man guilty of IS-inspired knife plan

  Forum Editor 19:36 14 Dec 2015
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says a BBC report

What struck me, apart from anything else, was that it took a year to bring this man to trial. It is an indication of the amount of work the Police have done in order to convince the Crown Prosecution Service that a conviction likely, and the fact that the jury took 50 hours to come to a decision must mean that there was an awful lot of detail to consider.

  john bunyan 19:54 14 Dec 2015

Although it does not apply in his case, I still cannot understand why ISIL / Daesh volunteers from UK are not deprived of citizenship and UK passports and stopped from returning. If this means a law change, so be it. Some of the Paris terrorists had been to Syria although born in France. There are said to be over 400 such folk , and it is impossible to monitor them 24/7.

  csqwared 21:37 14 Dec 2015

The thing that puzzles me is the amount of time and effort the MI5 and police went to to keep this guy under observation.

"The court heard that Syed had also tried to travel to Syria to fight with IS militants but had been stopped from leaving the country in January 2014."

Why? Let him go, save on intelligence resources, and, as jb suggests, refuse re-entry. No doubt he will now spend a number of years being housed and fed at the tax payers expense. Who won?

  morddwyd 09:55 15 Dec 2015

" in order to convince the Crown Prosecution Service that a conviction likely,"

Like so much else that hinders real people, doing real work (NHS, teachers) it is down to government targets.

Instead of a means, to improve overall performance, they have become an end in themselves, are the target has become an obsession.

  spuds 10:15 15 Dec 2015

I tend to agree with morddwyd on some of the points he as made. Targets and funding seem to be the barrier in some quarter's yet not others,

At times the CPS as become a joke, because not only does it seem for them to take ages, in reaching decisions, some of those decisions have been overturned through public protest. Or protest from the legal profession itself.

At times. I suspect some of our nations security forces, must think whether their efforts have been worthwhile or not, and that can only lead to contempt. And perhaps more so, if a serious event takes part somewhere, and the usual questions are asked, why wasn't this prevented?.

Some people are under some form of observation, every day, whether by the security forces or the police, using the intelligence gained on any particular day. Some of this intelligence leads nowhere, but can also ring alarm bells,to,those specialised in spotting the oddity of a person's actions.

I still cannot understand, how some people can actually speak hatred of infidel's in front of a crowd (perhaps with police presence), on a regular basis, and nothing seems to be done about it. Yet get another incident of possible suggested 'racial nature', and the authorities are very quick to take action. It just doesn't make sense!.

  Ungus 18:24 15 Dec 2015

There will always be difficulty for the authorities when, how and why citizens should be lifted and what they say goes beyond the boundaries of likely to cause offence or incites to commit a crime. We made the mistake of imprisoning people without charge or on at the very least dodgy evidence during the troubles and it only succeeded in making it worse. Its difficult and when we start to fear then we know the terrorists have won. Its an extremely difficult judgment for police and governments of any creed or colour.

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