'Just another gun massacre...'

  Quickbeam 07:31 21 Jul 2012

Was how it is being talked about on the TV this morning, but will it create a serious gun control debate in America?

NO, I thought not. Their precious right to bear arms constitution must be guarded at all cost.

  Quickbeam 07:52 21 Jul 2012

Another quote I heard in defence of the constitution was 'This cinema has a ban on hand guns, if they didn't, it wouldn't have been as bad...'

I should just point out that that was an ironic statement for the benefit of any readers in Tombstone.

  Aitchbee 08:06 21 Jul 2012

President Obama, in this election year, should take the bull by the horns, and do SOMETHING about it.

  bremner 08:11 21 Jul 2012


If you had any understanding of the US you would know that the very last thing Obama would want to do in an election year is to try "and do SOMETHING about it".

Even the slightest suggestion of gun control would hand Romney the presidency overnight.

  WhiteTruckMan 08:29 21 Jul 2012

Private ownership of guns is a sacred cow in america, much like the price of gasoline. There are some things that politicians meddle with at their re-election peril.


  interzone55 08:47 21 Jul 2012

One of the many many great lines in the Simpsons has Lisa Simpson crying out "Don't they realise the right to bare arms is merely permission to wear short sleeved shirts"

Like any addict, they find any excuse, no matter how irrational, to justify their addiction...

  KRONOS the First 08:53 21 Jul 2012

Why does it have so much coverage on the UK news program, other countries such as Mexico or Honduras, to mention a couple have mass killings far more often but hardly get a mention.

Yes this is a sad incident but but it is not an uncommon event in the USA so coverage should be proportional.

As Forum member points out 60,000 Mexicans killed in the last 6 years with barely a mention on the News channels of this country.

  carver 09:00 21 Jul 2012

Guns do not kill, it's the person pulling the trigger who kills and it doesn't matter what gun laws you have you can't legislate for the crazy or insane.

We must have the toughest gun laws in the world but people still get killed or injured by some one pulling a trigger and isn't Sweden of all places up amongst the top 20 for gun killing per head of population.

  Quickbeam 09:28 21 Jul 2012

I seem to remember that Switzerland ranks pretty high.

  morddwyd 09:43 21 Jul 2012

"I seem to remember that Switzerland ranks pretty high."

Yes, but in Switzerland all the reserve members of the army, and there are lots, keep their military weapons at home, so guns are actually widely available.

I remember listening to some Americans debating gun control (not on TV, I was with them) and the statement that got widest support was "Well, if they want my gun they can come and get it, but it will have an empty magazine and a smoking barrel"

No bravado, no statement to camera, just a bunch of guys, of which I was one, sitting around shooting the breeze over a beer.

It's one of the facets of the American psyche that we in Britain will never be able to come to terms with.

  interzone55 10:02 21 Jul 2012

The massacres in Mexico are part of the ongoing drug war, and are so common they're not really of much interest to the news media.

Maybe if this guy hadn't been able to buy several guns quite legally over the counter, and if he hadn't been able to buy thousands of rounds of ammo quite legally over the internet, this wouldn't have happened, but the republicans, and the NRA (a major republican donor), choose to think otherwise, and whilst they hide their heads in the sand more innocent people will die...

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