Israel settlements: Netanyahu defies outcry over E-1

  Chronos the 2nd 12:15 04 Dec 2012

In their constant quest for real peace with the Palestinians the Israelis plan to build 3,000 new settler homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.And why are the Israelis authorizing the 3,000 additional housing units? Because the UN voted to upgrade the Palestinians to the status of a non-member observer state.
The west and the UN did it's usual finger wagging on hearing this but to little effect.

Israel will do what it always does provoke the Palestinians who of course will fire their ineffectual rockets and that will justify Israel's over the top retaliation in the worlds largest open prison.

Peace as ever is the loser.


  spuds 14:40 04 Dec 2012

".... but the UN should immediately vote to make Palestine a full member to show Israel that enough is enough"

Those are perhaps very wise words, but considering that the UN as had observer's in the region since year dot, then as stated it won't happen.

When I lived and worked in the area on many occasions, and made friends from both sides, including all the Arabic regions, it was always a case of 'The Roar of the Lion' who acted on the day.

  rickf 17:38 04 Dec 2012

Let's hope this time it is different and that Israel learns that it cannot just defy inrenational law. There is a sense that some nations have had enough of their flouting UN resolutions. It's the first time that some countries have acted in unison in calling their diplomats to give an expalantion of their actions.

  Forum Editor 17:40 04 Dec 2012

"Let's hope this time it is different"

If that turned out to be the case it would truly be a triumph of hope over experience.

  sunnystaines 17:56 04 Dec 2012

just been to israel, there is ample space in israel to build on. cannot see any reason to build on palestian land other than to keep the ongoing conflict between the two going.

perhaps a threat of sanctions by the UN and the west may get israel to change their mind.

not a place i would visit again very dirty/seedy and disappointing place.

  kad60 18:05 04 Dec 2012

A full blockade against Israel similar to that they imposed upon Gaza may eventually force them to acknowledge global anger at their continued illegality.

No one flies in or out until concrete proposals are made and absolute assurances from both sides are agreed.

Any infringement of these will result in a total blockade against both parties with ensuing action taken against those other states which ignore the ruling.

  morddwyd 21:47 04 Dec 2012

Nice to see that good old anti-Semitism is still alive and well in this season of goodwill.

  kad60 22:18 04 Dec 2012

Are you saying that no-one can criticise israeli actions.?

If so then you are saying no one should criticise any ethnicity/nationality on the same basis of being "anti".!!

Sure fire way of stifling debate is to accuse some one of racism where it is not warranted.

  Kevscar1 23:25 04 Dec 2012

Growing up I had a lot of admiration for the Isreali what they had to through, the wars than won against unbeatable odds to build and hold a homeland but over the last 10 years it,s slowly turned to contempt and disgust. They now seem to be the ones looking for genetic cleansing

  rickf 08:55 05 Dec 2012

"If that turned out to be the case it would truly be a triumph of hope over experience"

Read more:

Well, we have to hope or all will be lost. As human beings we always hope for the best in bad times. Re racist comments, it may well be being ironic but is not Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people racist?

  Forum Editor 14:23 05 Dec 2012

"World attitudes toward Palestine seem to me to continue to result from the various acts of terrorism in the 1970s."

That's about right, but for the full picture you would have to look back much further. The move to establish a Palestine Homeland for Jews began in the late 19th century, and it really began in Europe. The Balfour declaration of 1917 was when the British government expressed its support for what it called 'A national home for the Jewish people'.

At that time the Jewish population in Palestine was very small - around 5%, and there was hardly any conflict. Under British rule the population expansion was steady, and by 1930 it totaled just over a million people. By the late 1940's the Jewish population in Palestine reached 30%. This rapid expansion did not go down well with the Arab majority, and matters were made much worse when, in 1948, the State of Israel was established over roughly 75% of the Palestine land area. The Arab population of the new state - at that time around three quarters of a million people - was expelled.

Attempts by the British government to control the rate of the Jewish population met with violent from the Jewish underground. Many British subjects were killed. Throughout 1947 the troubles rolled on, there were too many incidents to mention here. At home anti-Jewish feelings ran high, and not far from where I live a Jewish synagogue was attacked and set alight by an angry mob. Both the Jews and the Arabs hated the idea of British rule in Palestine - we were caught between the two.

In 1947 the UN consented to a scheme to partition Palestine into two zones,one for Palestinians, one for Jews, and early in 1948 the British administration was withdrawn. Fighting began almost immediately, and has carried on, more or less without a break, ever since.

There have been Jewish terrorists and Palestinian terrorists, but whether that has shaped our view of either side is open to question. I think that ultimately terrorism always fails, and that the will of the people prevails through democracy, but how you define success or failure is a matter of perspective. From the Israeli point of view it has - so far at any rate - probably succeeded. The same can't be said for Palestine however.

The Israel/Palestine conflict is a huge subject, and I know that I've only touched on it here - there is much more that I haven't mentioned. In essence the two people hate each other in a way that is difficult to understand unless you're involved. It permeates their daily lives, even when they're living in a different part of the world.

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