illegal downloading

  herc182 18:55 12 Dec 2004

If there is such a hype about people using programs such as bearshare, winmx, kazaaa (to name but a few) then why is it not a case of suing the makers?

furthermore, torrent files. although it is near impossible to detect whos doing what (as you download striaght from someone elses computer and not a dedicated server), why can the ISP's take action (or inform those appropriate) that people are downloading huge quantities? eg if someone is using 60gb+ every month then it doesnt take a genius to know something is up! they must have a record of all websites visited?

I am a little annoyed that you hear all of the money lost to illegal downloading yet nothing seems to be done. it is possible to stop it surely?

  herc182 19:34 12 Dec 2004

valvegrid you are right. but why cant ISP's step in if you are clearly up/downloading huge amounts every month (movies, applications etc)? this would apply more to torrent files as they are much bigger files. they have all the info required which could be passed on to the appropriate parties.

  herc182 19:50 12 Dec 2004

very true.
thing is that torrent files and alike do not go through websites, they are off someones computer. so the usage will not be clear (i may be worng). i.e. all this usage yet very little websites to add up to this bandwidth.

  bremner 20:05 12 Dec 2004

If it's legal action you want then click here

  herc182 20:20 12 Dec 2004

"We don't want to shut down Kazaa, just its illegal activities,"

how the hell would they do that?!

  kev.Ifty 22:36 12 Dec 2004

I have used BearShare to download music in the past, and not once have i deprived anybody of revenue!
Most of the music i have downloaded i already have on CD (which i purchased) but cant be bothered to sort through the 500 plus disc's which i own to play an individual track.

Also some of the music, i would not buy if could not download it,but i could listen to it at any time by visiting one of the many sites that offer steaming.

Downloading should not be illegal. What is the problem and should be the thing which concerns us is the availability of Bootleg music and software at Car Boot sales etc. Those are the people that we pay our taxes to the authorities to have the police prosecute!!

I would go on but i have got to set my video to tape the film on TV. I was thinking of getting a hard drive recorder with a DVD recorder built in, but i think Interpol might 'send the boys round' to kick my door in!

A friend of mine might never walk again after having been shot in the hip whilst being viciously robbed a few weeks ago. Now what would you spend Police resources on again?

  kev.Ifty 22:42 12 Dec 2004

I am sorry. that last paragraph although absolutely true is a bit flippant.

I was just trying to illustrate that maybe the Police should be able to concentrate on everyday crime.


  Forum Editor 00:57 13 Dec 2004

that anyone would say "...........not once have i deprived anybody of revenue! Most of the music i have downloaded i already have on CD (which i purchased) but cant be bothered to sort through the 500 plus disc's which i own to play an individual track."

Trying to justify an illegal activity in that way just isn't on, and there's more:-

"Downloading should not be illegal. What is the problem"

The problem (for what seems the millionth time)is that people have worked hard to write, perform, record, mix, package,reproduce, distribute and retail the music, and they all have a living (and in some cases a perfectly legitimate profit) to make. The people who own the copyright have a legal right to a fee each time someone copies or distributes it. By downloading and not paying, you are depriving those people of a part of their livelyhood - it's theft, in just the same way as taking a loaf of bread from a shop is theft.

We can debate the finer points of the music industry's marketing policy shortcomings until the cows come home, and I'll probably agree with you on many issues, but don't come here and tell me that you are doing nothing wrong when you download music for nothing, because you are. The fact that you may already have the CD in question and are just too lazy to find it makes things worse.

  kev.Ifty 02:14 13 Dec 2004

I am not trying to justify an 'illegal' activity, mainly because i have no participation in any illegal activity.

I have on my PC's Hard drive 53 music tracks all of which are mp3. Now there are 7 of those tracks which i have not gone into a record shop and spent money on a CD and purchased a DISC containing that music. Where there is a very grey area is the difference between downloading and streaming.

Here's a thing.... If i use BearShare to listen to the latest U2 single, I'm a criminal but if i listen to it via click here I'm abiding by the law.. I think....

I am confused! Please tell me at what point i am breaking the Law.?

Is using BearShare illegal? I would like to distribute BearShare software among my friends. Is sharing the software illegal?

Maybe if i just provided a link where my Friends could download the software, would this contravene the law of the UK?

Is it illegal to provide links?

I would hate to think i am breaking the law!


  Forum Editor 18:30 13 Dec 2004

Time to get a few facts straight I think:-

1. There's a wealth of difference between listening to a music track online and downloading it via a P2P server. The MTV tracks are streamed because the copyright holders have agreed to it. MTV have paid a fee for the release. If you use a P2P file server to download a track from another user, and that file is copyright protected you are breaking the law. Does that help you to understand?

2. Just because you bought a CD it doesn't mean that you may go ahead and download the same tracks via a P2P network. When you buy the CD you buy a copyright licence to listen to THAT CD as many times as you like - you don't buy the music itself, just the right to listen to a single CD. You don't have a licence to go and take the music from somewhere else, or to share it with others.

3. Using P2P software isn't illegal, and nor is distributing it to others - it's the use to which you put the software that may be illegal, and downloading copyrighted music tracks without paying for them is definitely against the law.

4. Providing friends with a link to a P2P file-sharing server is perfectly legal.

"I would hate to think i am breaking the law!"

Then don't.

  Eargasm 23:58 13 Dec 2004

The police don't prosecute Ford because you were doing 70mph in a 30mph limit, they prosecute you and quite rightly so, because you're the one breaking the law.

Fair point, but why don,t they prosecute Ford for making cars that go faster than 70mph when there is clearly no need, as that is the maximum speed limit.

Simple, if they did no one would buy them. It's all about MONEY, after all nothing else matters, MONEY is GOD unfortunately in the world we live in.

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