How not to get goodwill from your staff

  carver 09:07 16 Jul 2012

Just read this sack them? and thought that any doctor after reading that would not be a very happy person, a neighbour of ours is a newly qualified doctor at the hospital in Sheffield and his working week is normally about 70 hours.

He has to not because he wants to but because they are already short staffed , if he didn't get over time pay I can't see why he would want to continue doing so.

  Aitchbee 09:16 16 Jul 2012

This 'efficiency move' will ensure a massive influx of 'overseas doctors' most of whom can't speak or even understand the 'nuances' of patients' symptoms...but that's progress, folks.

  john bunyan 09:17 16 Jul 2012

An extract from a recent article re GP's salary:

" A doctor’s average salary is now £110,000, having gone up by 54 per cent in the last decade. According to figures released last year, there are now almost 1,000 GPs earning £200,000 a year. Yet there has been no dramatic increase in productivity or flexibility .."

I often used to work 70 hours with no extra, in a major plc (not a doctor). The NHS total cost has to be contained within some limit, and some hospitals have overspent their budget and run up large debts- they should have acted earlier. High salary folk in many jobs work unpaid overtime.

  carver 09:40 16 Jul 2012

john bunyan marvellous how these figures crop up, I linked to a story about Hospital doctors and nurses not GP's.

Figures for Hospital doctors enter link description here are not that high unless you are a consultant and you get about 1 of those to about 40 doctors.

basic starting salary is £22,412

  interzone55 12:40 16 Jul 2012

Not sure how it works now, but when my Mum was a nurse in the 50's she used to get standard hourly rate for 60 hours a week, then compulsory overtime was paid at 50% (not time & a half, but half pay).

  Kevscar1 12:57 16 Jul 2012

if they sacked them I think there would be a a large number of very happy solicitors bringing wrongful dismissal cases.

  Chegs ®™ 13:57 16 Jul 2012

They talk about tearing up contracts & renegotiating but what if the contracted person decides "sod that,I'm not working for less" and walks?The NHS is already "too many chiefs & not enough indians" so I think a better way to reduce the financial strains on trusts is dispose of lots of administrators and replace them with a few nurses/Drs.My Mother was a Nurse for most of her working life,& left the NHS when the ward she worked on had 6 nursing staff & 20 administrators.

  john bunyan 15:26 16 Jul 2012


I take your point, but ambitious people usually work lots of unpaid overtime, and hospital doctors hours are less than they used to be. What concerns me more is the tendency for patients to see senior nurses when referred to a consultant by a GP. Some Trusts are employing more specialist nurses and less consultants, to save money. (Verbatim from a local hospital Consultant). The collection of tests is OK but increasingly the actual diagnosis is only cursorily checked by a Doctor. I also agree with Chegs .

  oresome 16:23 16 Jul 2012

At the heart of the problem is the cost of running a health service for an ageing population.

The cost of care increases with age, we are living longer and there will be fewer working age adults in the future to finance the service.

The UK economy is at best stagnant and may well be in long term decline along with much of the rest of Europe and the USA.

I'm not saying these clumsy proposals are the way forward in the NHS, but there are now difficult decisions to be faced in many walks of life. In a democracy it's often easier to put them off rather than face electoral defeat and I think some of these issues have been kicked into the long grass for years.

If we were truly all in it together, there might be a bigger appetite to share the pain of a declining economy.

  carver 18:45 16 Jul 2012

All this talk of Doctors/ Nurses getting to much money for the work they do I just can't agree with, I want a doctor who is well trained not over worked and fairly happy in his job.

They spend a long time training for their job and now will have a bill for £60000 to show for it, maybe we should sack all the MP's and renegotiate their salaries and pensions and save some money, well you don't have to train an MP.

  daz60 18:55 16 Jul 2012

The truth is that Dave "were in it together" Cameron and his business palls would rather see us all on minimum pay,blame it on Labour or the banks but not on the economic models and deregulations which facilitated this debacle.

They have been voting themselves,and us,out of power for years by giving up our sovereignty to Brussels,only a matter of time before the takeover happens.

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