Costa Concordia

  Al94 21:16 14 Jan 2012

Costa Concordia is the largest passenger ship to be lost in service since RMS Titanic 100 years ago

  john bunyan 21:52 14 Jan 2012

Yes but compare and contrast the actions of the two crews post the collisions. It seems that "women and children first" went by the board on the latest vessel, and the crew seemed very unprofessional.

  Forum Editor 23:44 14 Jan 2012

...the crew seemed very unprofessional

As did many of the crew in The Titanic.

  Graham* 23:44 14 Jan 2012

Looking at the pictures, it would seem there was a lighthouse clearly visible.

  Graham* 23:52 14 Jan 2012

Shifting it could prove tricky. Read what happened in Goa

  Forum Editor 23:56 14 Jan 2012

The vessel was between 3 and 4 nautical miles off the course which she uses once a week. Conditions were calm.

Something quite obviously went badly wrong, and I doubt that it will take the investigators long to find out what. The ship's black box recorder and the crew will reveal the facts.

  mole44 04:08 15 Jan 2012

so so sad on the loss of life, but like graham i to was thinking how are they going to right it,and somebody has got the cost of the repairs to shell out for.

  Quickbeam 08:14 15 Jan 2012

"...the crew seemed very unprofessional"

If I was on a ship listing badly by the second, the only thing that would make sense to me would be self preservation, that's not out of selfishness, what else can you do if every thing's sliding dangerously to one side, tables, chairs, bottles, people. Calming but professional palm court quintets would be the last thing that would interest me right then.

The Titanic was unusual in that it had time for everyone to board a life boat had there been enough, but most passenger ship disasters since have happened within minutes. The RORO ferries being the quickest having huge areas low down with no stabilising bulkheads that can cause a ship to capsize in the time it takes only a few inches of water to rush to one side.

  Al94 08:31 15 Jan 2012

I should have added "in peacetime" in my original post

  WhiteTruckMan 08:58 15 Jan 2012

I think pure luck was a big factor in this incident (until negligence is conclusively ruled out I refuse to call it an accident). Bad luck to run aground in the first place, but good luck to do so in mild seas, temperate climate and so close to land that people could swim to safety. Imagine the loss of life had this happened in arctic conditions while blowing a gale and the ship had coasted into enough deep water to completely submerge or capsize the hull.

Comparisons have inevitably been made with the titanic. One of the consequences of the 1912 sinking is that ships must have enough lifeboat capacity for all aboard. And yet I was struck with the picture of the concordia's side showing 2 liferafts dangling uselessly from the davits and resting on the overturned side of the hull. unless a ship is settling on a relatively even keel then the launching of boats - difficult at the best of times - is going to be a big problem. More so when an increasing list is thrown in. Such a list could quite easily incapacitate a significant percentage of the lifeboat capacity, which brings us into titanic territory.

And lastly, the numbers involved. Over 4000 people. Think about it. Four thousand. Just imagine the problems involved in getting so many people off a ship as quickly as possible in an emergency. Many of them asleep in their cabins, some under the influence of drink, most of them confused.

Cruise ship designers and operators will have a lot to think about over the next few years. They've dodged a bullet here. Next time - and there will be a next time - they and their passengers might not be so lucky.


  john bunyan 11:37 15 Jan 2012

My point re the crew is based on reports that a)There appears to be confusion re the list of people on board; b)Some report no earlier drills were carried out so many had no idea of their muster stations; c)Passengers report crew seemed untrained in emergency drills; d) The Captain seems to have abandoned ship 3 - 4 hours before last passengers rescued, in spite of bridge still being above water. All this without prejudice to the cause of the event, yet to be determined. I am sure that some Titanic crew were unprofessional, but I still regret the apparent loss of the old tradition of the captain being the last to leave a stricken vessel, and the "women and children first" principal.The captain is being questioned on his actions by the Italian police, so no doubt more will emerge.

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