Convert to Islam or face the sword

  john bunyan 13:19 19 Jul 2014
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ISIS in Mosul has told Christians they must convert to Islam or face the sword. See:

Mosul

Obviously these are an extreme section of the Sunnis but no wonder when folk see British Muslims going there, and some being indoctrinated with such beliefs, people worry. The growing Muslim UK population must unite to crack down on this in the UK or risk a backlash from our own extremists.

  wee eddie 14:52 19 Jul 2014

Most of my Muslim acquaintances are horrified at this, but they are mostly in their 50's and 60's, not youngsters

  johndrew 15:11 19 Jul 2014

Whilst I hear it repeated time after time that Islam is a peaceful religion there would appear to be those who from time immemorial have caused problems. For example the Iberian peninsular was overrun and held for several hundreds of years. Granted it would appear that the 'people of the book' (Christians and Jews) were permitted to keep their faiths - most of the time. However all that seems to be repeated these days is that the 'Crusaders' are continually attacking Islam.

This appears to be the cry of the ignorant and those who want some form of anchor to enforce their vision on all others. The ISIS cult is not only against Christians but also those belonging to the Shia sect of Islam. Further it would appear to be their objective of world domination.

The objective and actions of this group is not unlike others in recent history who it took a substantial effort to neutralise.

  bumpkin 16:04 19 Jul 2014

Convert to Islam or face the sword

Fine by me, pull out your sword and face the AK47.

  spuds 17:21 19 Jul 2014

"The growing Muslim UK population must unite to crack down on this in the UK or risk a backlash from our own extremists."

What extremists would this be, the BNP, EDL, UKIP or the group of people in the street being told that they are racists for thinking out loud?.

  john bunyan 18:09 19 Jul 2014

spuds

What is the answer to your own question? I have been criticised here in the past for worrying about the rise of Muslim extremism in this county, eg the schools issue, the "Piper Rigby" episode, the fact that the tube bombers were all Pakistani origin. There is a huge problem of some (I know a minority) of young potential radicals , born here but determined to hate the country of their birth. I wish I had an answer.

  Forum Editor 18:43 19 Jul 2014

john bunyan

"I have been criticised here in the past for worrying about the rise of Muslim extremism in this county"

Really? I can't think why. Anybody with a grain of commonsense can see that religious extremism of any kind is hardly going to be accepted by the majority. Muslim extremists represent a tiny minority of all muslims, but because they try to impose their beliefs by force they get a great deal of publicity.

In today's world extremism of this kind can never succeed - extremists fail to understand enough about human nature to realise that people want freedom and peace above all things. In the end religious tolerance is going to win over intolerance every time.

Expressing concern about religious extremism/terrorism isn't going to get you criticised, as long as you accept that only a very small minority of muslims are like that.

  john bunyan 20:39 19 Jul 2014

Forum Editor

In 2011 there were 2.7 million Muslims in the UK. Just 1% is 27,000. It takes about 10 people to follow one person, and the MI5 watcher service is quite small. A tiny percentage of such a vast number can be very troublesome, as recent events have shown. The vast majority have settled down fine but in some places have swamped the indigenous population and keep their own culture - sometimes in what, to some, is in a far too obtrusive way. I used to work, 40 years ago, in Southall. On a recent visit it was unrecognisable and some old folk I met were quite disturbed by it all.

I still cannot think of an answer as to what to do with the British born Jihadists who are active in Syria and "IS" as ISIS calls the proposed Caliphate.

  Forum Editor 22:54 19 Jul 2014

"The vast majority have settled down fine but in some places have swamped the indigenous population and keep their own culture - sometimes in what, to some, is in a far too obtrusive way."

At one time those words could easily have been said about British Christians in countries all over the world.

It's strange, isn't it, how some of us come over all irritated when we get a taste of what it must have been like for many many millions of people when we went charging around the world, dominating others by force of arms?

As has already been pointed out, Britain doesn't actually have an indigenous population in the true sense of the word.

  BillSers 09:26 20 Jul 2014

The SIS reckon there's about 5000 potential extremists in the UK but finding the cells is proving tricky covering that number of would-be terrorists. Their resources are being stretched to the limit and beyond.

I'm writing a book about terrorism and this small snippit gives some idea of what the security services are having to cope with:

*Samantha Louise Lewthwaite was born 5 December 1983, also known as Sherafiyah Lewthwaite or the White Widow. She is currently a fugitive from justice in Kenya, where she is wanted on charges of possession of explosives and conspiracy to commit a felony and is the subject of an Interpol Red Notice requesting her arrest with a view to extradition. She earned the nickname, ‘White Widow,’ after her husband, Germaine Lindsay, bombed a London train on July 7th, 2005, killing 56 people (including himself) and injuring over 700. Then, she was dubbed the name, ‘White Widow’ by the news media, a play on words referencing her ethnicity, the death of her first husband and the practice of referring to Chechen female suicide bombers as ‘black widows. Lewthwaite is an alleged member of the Somali radical Islamic militant group Al-Shabaab. The East Kenya police commander Aggrey Adoli said he feared she may be plotting even more bloodshed and has launched a huge drive to recruit more young radical Muslims to her deadly cause.*

And that is just one radical, converted, brainwashed white middle-class terrorist.

  john bunyan 09:41 20 Jul 2014

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"when we went charging around the world, dominating others by force of arms"

This "sins of our fathers" arguments is an old one. The Irish blame us for the way the potato famine was handled; my mother (not I) blame the Germans for the Nazi atrocities. We are only responsible for the present day. Also everyone knows we have seen waves of immigration in the past, indeed I believe my ancestors were Huguenots, but mostly they were absorbed seamlessly and did not have minorities that hate the country of their adoption.

What the British did or did not do many years ago does not give an excuse for accepting unlimited changes to our way of life.

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