Climate change, the story continues

  carver 16:07 23 Nov 2011

So it appears we have a second round of e-mails released about what might or might not be global warming ,some people believe in it others don't, but whatever your opinion you have to wonder why so much data can not be certified or some people have this overwhelming desire to destroy e-mails that could cast doubt on their findings.

Now another batch of e-mails are released that bring even more doubt as to whether all the doom and gloom is justified.

Small extract "“The science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run,” laments one scientist, Peter Thorne"

And right at the end another extract,

“What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation?” muses one scientist. “They’ll kill us probably.”

  carver 16:08 23 Nov 2011

Sorry link apears broken, try this

  carver 16:15 23 Nov 2011

Sorry just paste this into google,

Climategate 2.0: Fresh trove of embarrassing emails

  Flak999 18:07 23 Nov 2011

Interesting! I believe the climate is changing, but it's nothing to do with anything man made. I believe it is a cyclical change that the planet is going through, which it has gone through before and will do again.

As with all theories such as this there will be people who believe fervently that it is all mankind's fault and other pragmatists like me who believe that there is nothing that we have done to bring this about and equally nothing we can do to change what is happening.

I guess time will tell who is correct, but as for me I will keep on using my stockpile of 100 Watt incandescent light bulbs, I will still drive my Audi A5 3.0 quattro. In other words I will carry on as I always have!

  Al94 18:29 23 Nov 2011

Well said Flak999, my attitude precisely! Especially as governments are using the argument to apply extra taxes - I intend to ignore and enjoy the years I have left!

  bremner 18:53 23 Nov 2011

Are we responsible for global warning? Impossible to be say..

Are we poluting the planet? Yes

Politicians and environmentalists have failed miserably to draw this distinction and as a consequence many feel that it is all just an excuse to raise taxes as mentioned.

  john bunyan 19:09 23 Nov 2011

I had a friend (sadly killed in an accident last year) who had been the Met Office College Principal, and chairman of the DEFRA climate change committe. He lectured world wide on the subject as a visiting professor. In spite of his vast knowledge he was able (like Brian Cox) to explain such subjects in a way that those of us without his years of study (1st in Maths, PHd etc) could understand.Basically he said that - yes, there are natural cycles (sun spots, volcanic activity etc) but these have always been around. Man's extra contribution is, nevertheless, significant and is exacerbating the situation. Just look at the rate of increase on CO2 levels. He also pointed out such items as that the only way electric cars will help is if the power stations have efficient carbon capture arrangements or else their CO2 emissions would offset savings from vehicles.

  john bunyan 19:22 23 Nov 2011
  Flak999 19:53 23 Nov 2011

fourm member

*Really and truly. Are you saying you haven't modified your behaviour, at all, from the days when petrol was 50p a litre?*

Well I was a lot younger then! So perhaps I should say that the excess of youth has given way to the enjoyment of middle age, but other than a greater appreciation for the finer things in life, no I have not changed my behaviour at all!

  johndrew 10:29 25 Nov 2011

I think Flak999 and Kevscar between them cover my opinion admirably.

  Flak999 11:36 25 Nov 2011

Grey Goo

The span of geological time is so vast and our three score years and ten on this earth passes in the blink of an eye. I am 53 years old, if I am lucky I might get another thirty years of worthwhile life. The change to the climate in this short time will be unnoticeable to me.

The cyclical changes to our planets climate will occur inexorably whatever futile attempts man makes to affect this change. natural disasters will occur just the same as they always have. I intend to live the rest of my life using what resources the planet has to my advantage, in thirty years I will be dead, gone from the planet as if I never existed. No one is going to look back and say: "good old Flak999 he gave up using 100 watt light bulbs and started driving an electric car! Hasn't the world benefited from his sacrifice!"

Life's to short to worry about the things you can't change, live each day to the full, for tomorrow we will all be dead!

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