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  Al94 16:59 17 Jul 2014
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A terrible tragedy and unbelievable that Malaysian Airlines involved again.

Why are passenger aircraft flying over what is effectively a war zone with several military aircraft shot down recently?

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  bumpkin 18:46 19 Jul 2014

Woolwell, * Not a political move because it has badly rebounded just bad training.*

Fired by someone unfamiliar with this kind of weapon then, which points in one direction. I would think that the Russians are well trained and aware of the consequences of firing it without knowing for certain the target.

  Forum Editor 19:29 19 Jul 2014

It's pretty obvious that the people who fired the missile(s) thought at the time that this was a Ukrainian transport aircraft. They certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough, or callous enough to deliberately destroy a commercial airliner full of passengers if they knew about it.

That doesn't alter the fact that an appalling act took place. It should have been possible to identify the aircraft before any missile was launched, it would have been squawking an ident that can be picked up on a smartphone, and it was flying at an altitude that had been cleared by the Ukrainian authorities for commercial flights.

What has happened is dreadful, and it was easily avoidable - the people who did the firing had ample opportunity to find out what the aircraft was, and the Ukrain authorities could have routed it clear of the zone. Nobody on either side of the current conflict can come out of this with a clear conscience.

  bumpkin 19:49 19 Jul 2014

FE, that is why I am suggesting that those who fired it were not familiar with this weapon or the protocol.

  spuds 20:05 19 Jul 2014

There was mention earlier about 'behind the scenes activity'. Malaysian airlines have already been in touch with some of the British families or next of kin, and offered advice and assistance, including taking any of the family members or next of kin to the crash site.

Not sure if you will find that information in any newspaper yet, but a family not all that far from me as lost their son in this disaster. Apparently they are now waiting on information from the Ukraine government about returning the bodies and items of the deceased!.

  bumpkin 20:26 19 Jul 2014

Woolwell, interesting, thanks for the info not something I was aware of.

  BillSers 09:07 20 Jul 2014

It does rather sound like these rebels were morons and clueless. Bringing in spies in a commercial airliner? Do me a favour!

  Forum Editor 09:13 20 Jul 2014

The simple fact is that snyone with an internet-connected computer could have visited a website like this one, tracked this aircraft, identified the type and its operator and seen that it was routed to Kuala Lumpur out of Schipol.

  johndrew 10:19 20 Jul 2014

FE

Your words, two separate posts:

" They certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough, or callous enough to deliberately destroy a commercial airliner full of passengers if they knew about it."

"The simple fact is that snyone with an internet-connected computer could have visited a website like this one, tracked this aircraft, identified the type and its operator and seen that it was routed to Kuala Lumpur out of Schipol."

Given the evidence so far I would suggest that if you provide any untrained, callous extremist with a powerful weapon the temptation to use it as soon as possible could easily be irresistible. As a result it is quite possible for a stupid or callous act of this nature to occur even though the tools are available for its prevention. To put it another way, the same people (separatists) have seen and attacked other aircraft in the area; this is just another aircraft, the thought it may be a foreign civilian aircraft would never entered the equation.

  BillSers 11:20 20 Jul 2014

" They certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough, or callous enough to deliberately destroy a commercial airliner full of passengers if they knew about it."

Well, it's happened before.

There is another theory which purports this was a botched assassination attempt on Putin's plane that was coming back from Brazil, both planes within minutes of each other. Another counter-theory is that the above could be a propaganda attempt to boost Putin's popularity.

  spuds 11:34 20 Jul 2014

There are many land, sea and air tracking facilities on the internet, and none of those will prevent a disaster from happening. You only need to look at the Twin Towers incident, to realise just how society works.

Whatever the case in this incident, and the actual truth might never be found, it will just go down in the history books as just another one of those events. How many people have already lost interest in the previous Malaysian aircraft disaster, yet that case is still ongoing. No top level security council sittings will ever prevent this type of thing occuring again, when we have countries or individual's fighting each for what they class is rightly theirs.

The only thing people see here, is that a large number of lives were lost in one instant action, yet how many innocent lives are being lost every day in some part of the globe, yet nobody really cares, and perhaps more so, if it doesn't involve them personally?.

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