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Andy Coulson detained

  johndrew 16:29 30 May 2012

I have a slight confusion with this case.

The reported details.

UK legal systems.

Given that Scotland has a different legal system to England which causes a Police Officer from one not having powers in the other, how can Scottish Police 'detain' and remove Coulson from England to Scotland?

I am aware he was not formally arrested by Met. Police, but 'detention' is the prevention of free movement which is what the Strathclyde Police enforced. The fact that a Scottish authority may have wanted him for questioning 'on suspicion' of an offence which is also an offence in English Law is immaterial to the detention/arrest until he is charged. Surely a formal warrant should have been produced in Scotland and approved by an English court to allow this action. Unless of course the voluntarily chose to be detained and transported into Scotland by Strathclyde Police.

Does anyone have any clarification on this?

  john bunyan 16:42 30 May 2012

Here are the rules. They can cross borders.

Police powers

  Aitchbee 17:13 30 May 2012

The Gazelle and The Square Rig opposite the former GOVAN shipbuilders on Govan Road are very nice public bars.

  spuds 17:32 30 May 2012

The thing that I find strange at the moment, is why seven Strathclyde police turned up at this person's door just after 6am. And then it would seem he had to undertake an escorted lengthy road journey back to Scotland?.

Surely a joint venture between the English and Scottish police would have been sufficient, as would a simple quick plane journey with possibly one or two escorting officer's?.

  bremner 17:46 30 May 2012

The responsibility and more importantly cost must be borne by the Scottish force, much easier to send them down and let them escort the detained person back. There must have been a good operational reason why seven officers were employed.

  Aitchbee 17:55 30 May 2012

spuds ...yesterday while waiting for my bus, I noticed two young (18-19 year old) uniformed policemen give an elderly gentleman in a covered mobility vehicle a verbal warning for some misdemeanor which may have been trivial, and then a written 'slap in the face' also.

I pointed this out to a chap who was also waiting for the bus, and he said that he got fined 50 quid for illegally throwing away a cigarette butt.

Coulson may have done something wrong.

  Condom 19:28 30 May 2012

In England when the police wish to hold you they normally arrest you. E.g. if you are stopped for drink driving the police arrest you after failing the breathalyser test and take you to the police station for the proper test.

In Scotland the police do not formally arrest you for many things but detain you. There is a legal difference but in practice it has much the same effect. I must say I am also wondering why it took 7 police officers to escort him back to Glasgow when budgets are supposed to be so tight.

  Forum Editor 19:41 30 May 2012

As others have explained, under Scottish law 'detained' is equivalent to 'arrested on suspicion'.

Coulson hasn't been charged with an offence, but perjury is a serious criminal matter, and I imagine the case is complex - nevertheless, 7 officers did seem to me to be a few too many for the work involved. One or two driving, and two escorts might have done the job, but what do I know?

  Aitchbee 19:58 30 May 2012

The Coulson affair will be the 'talk o' the steamie' in Govan...buteman knows what I'm talkin' about.

  Aitchbee 22:15 30 May 2012

Perjury - an offence committed by a witness in judicial proceedings who, have been lawfully sworn, wilfully gives evidence.

Coulson and Tommy Sheriden who went to jail, are the people involved here.

  spuds 11:41 31 May 2012

Perhaps taking another slant on all this. Every day people are being transported around the country and even abroad with far less escorts or security. Its only when you get category 'A', that extra special precautions or arrangements are taken.

Many chartered flights leave the UK on a weekly or monthly basis, returning wanted or convicted people back to their homelands within the EU and elsewhere. Some times, other EU countries are used as transit or alternative collection points for destinations further away.

In the case of the regular EU flights, there are about 20/30 escorting officer's (male and female), who are sub-contracted to do the task of transporting a plane load of 'villains', some of whom are classed as very dangerous by the authorities, both here and abroad?.

It is also the recommended procedures that police forces and other similar authorities communicate and work with each other, well before any actions of this type are taken. Yet the media seems to indicate that this was a virtual clandestine operation?.

I wonder if the reply fourm member might get (never a certainty with politicians!) from his MSP, will be one of "not in the public interest" or similar response. Which would then lead to even bigger speculation on the whole affair?.

I wonder what Jeffrey Archer is thinking about all this. Perhaps another best seller in the making?.

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