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4 x 4 cars

  sunnystaines 15:25 21 Jan 2015

are they any better on ice and snow ot is it just muddy fields/lanes they are better.

I see that most drive in two wheel drive thenauto goto 4x4 when needed.

  sunnystaines 15:51 21 Jan 2015

looking at the outlander if anyone has had one.

  john bunyan 17:00 21 Jan 2015

I think that there are the true large 4 x 4's such as the Range Rover and the Toyota Land Cruiser, and these are the all terrain vehicles used in deserts and snow. I had 2 Toyota Land Cruisers in succession at one time when I used to go fishing over muddy fields and wanted to tow a heavy trailer. They had diff lock, high / low ratio and all kinds of controls. The costs are high now - a set of tyres at about £600 and road tax at £450 or more, plus depreciation at £5-6000 a year in first 5 years or so. My wife now has a Mazda CX -5 , and this automatically "decides" to use 4wd, the Tax is £120 for a 2.2 Diesel Automatic and it can tow 2 tonnes. Not a true "mud plugger" but very good all round. We looked at the Toyota RAV4,and Honda CRC and this had the best engine for the diesel automatic at the time over a year ago. They all work better in ice and snow - but any vehicle becomes a sledge on black ice if you try to descend a steep hill with the brakes hard on!

  sunnystaines 17:10 21 Jan 2015

john thanks think of going auto gear box too.

  john bunyan 17:19 21 Jan 2015


Good luck with your choice (PS The Honda was the CR-V, not CRC!)I think the Outlander is Mitsubishi? We like the higher driving position on this type of car where the "bum height above road" makes it easier to slide in and out as arthritis creeps up! I am currently off driving until December (DVLA and medical issues)and am glad we have the smaller vehicle as my wife found the Land Cruiser too big. Hope you find what you want.

  sunnystaines 17:23 21 Jan 2015

john Landcruiser would be the bee's knees but looking for a cheaper option, test drove the honda's did not like the small seats or the ride, although the gear box was smooth.

  Forum Editor 18:17 21 Jan 2015

Take a look at a secondhand Hyundai santa fe - you should get a really good one for around £15,000

  Quickbeam 18:34 21 Jan 2015

I've been into off roading in the past as a leisure activity and had several Landrovers. But for over 30 years since, I've held the opinion that for road use, if a 4x4 represents the ultimate 100% in winter road handling, I rate front wheel drive at about 80% and rear wheel drive at about 20%.

So if I lived in the highlands and expected snow every year, I wouldn't bother unless money was no object. Most modern cars also have some sort of traction/stability control which takes the car to over 80% capability on my scale of ability, which then takes you into serious off road capability to justify 4X4 upfront and running costs to outweigh a modern FWD.

  Quickbeam 18:39 21 Jan 2015

And 3/4 year old 4x4s are great value for money on account of the massive depreciation that JB mentioned.

  Quickbeam 11:07 22 Jan 2015

But at the end of the day, all the technical wizardry in the world can't replace driver skills...

Austin 7 hillclimber

  canarieslover 20:04 22 Jan 2015

Quickbeam You forgot to mention passenger skills, quite a necessity in hill climbs.

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