Thanks everyone. I took all ideas on board and Fruitbat's WinPatrol zapped it! ( good little prog that one ). I was going to use your suggestion J.R to re install if others didn't work and Dan's Windows Inspector didn't list it but thanks anyway. Off for my beauty sleep now, with a smile of contentment on my face and hoping my wife hasn't noticed I have been on my pc for over three hours on what was going to be 'just a quick log on !!!!!!!!!