norton 'glue' for a reason?

  p;3 14:58 20 Apr 2007

we all know the debate over norton ;BUT; a point raised by a colleague today

most if not all comps come preloaded with norton?

could the 'glue' be to do with some nasties trying to uninstall an av program , so Norton 'glues 'itself so it cannot BE readily uininstalled BY a nasty?

are nasties programs being written TO infect or shift the norton?

one may be aware that win 98 remains 'left alone' as it is now not very popular

win xp or even vista gets attacked as it is 'new'

avg or avast do not get 'glued' as maybe they are not attacked by the nasties to try TO unglue them

IS this a valid point ..?????

  Kate B 15:14 20 Apr 2007

New computers come from OEMs with all sorts of lite and trial versions of software: it's the most efficient way for software vendors to make sales. Most punters don't buy boxed software.

I don't understand what you mean by "glue".

  Diemmess 15:27 20 Apr 2007

Marketing rules as I see them

The majority of new PCs are sold to people who expect a trouble free life from their chosen 'box' without having to know why it works or ........ not!

Like Windows itself, Norton goes to great lengths to protect a system from attacks whatever the source, but at a heavy cost in resources.

Add to that the captive market created which will prefer to stay with what they now know (and must pay for), and I'll bet the cost of the Norton umbrella to the manufacturer is minimal.

Not [glue] whatever you mean by that, just hoss-sense

  p;3 15:31 20 Apr 2007

my colleague used the word 'glue' to describe the effect..which I actually thought described it rather appropriately; the program is not easily removed ...kinda 'sticks like glue' effect

  wee eddie 15:53 20 Apr 2007

Norton, like Microsoft, is a frequent target for Hackers.

There's no fun in Hacking a small player like AVG or Avast. You'd gain little Kudos with your peer group. Get Norton and they'll make you a hero.

  Watchful 17:42 20 Apr 2007

came with Trend PC-cillin installed.

  octal 17:49 20 Apr 2007

Not to go off topic too much, but I noticed this on the BBC web site:

"According to computer security firm Secure Science, at least one hi-tech crime gang based in Eastern Europe specialises in Windows 98 and produces viruses that prey on the software's weaknesses.

This is because users of it tend to have little knowledge of potential dangers - and are older, so are more likely to have substantial financial assets worth stealing."

click here

I've got Windows 98SE on the other partition, but it's not allowed to connect to the Internet.

  squillary 23:11 22 Apr 2007

I was going to say something about this in another thread, but it seemed such a waste of time I really couldn't be bothered.

One of the first things malware etc tries to do is pull down the existing defences. As has been shown numerous times, AVG, Avast and others have almost no protection against being terminated by malware. That's a key reason why I wouldn't touch them - they won't protect against anything if their processes are simply terminated. Norton, like Kaspersky, NOD32, Ewido and other decent software can't be pulled down anywhere near so easily. For Security software, this is as empirical as it gets.

If, by the term "glued", you mean that the likes of Norton won't allow itself to get pulled down easily, then I'd agree. If, however, you're trying to say that it's locked into the system by the OEM, then no I don't think they work that hard. They install software as an image and that's your lot. It's enough that it's loaded at all, on the simple rule that occupying the space is like 9\10ths of the law.

FWIW I had Bullguard on the most recent machine I got. I tried to ask Mesh what I was supposed to do with it (because there really wasn't a single clue anywhere) and they didn't have a clue themelves either. Uninstalling it was as straightforward as for anything else.

  Belatucadrus 02:11 24 Apr 2007

It depends on how you look at it I suppose. If by glue you mean the necessity to use the Norton uninstaller download to prise it off some systems. If intentional and designed as a self protection measure then maybe it's a good thing. If however it's because the installation is over complex and the uninstall is poorly written then it's a bad thing.
I tend to think it's the latter as Nortons uninstall has a reputation for flakeyness leaving debris and bits of live update behind, but a lot of the time it does work and the separate uninstaller download isn't always needed.
Be interesting to hear Symanteks official stance on it.

  squillary 02:51 24 Apr 2007

It does depend on how you look at it. Norton is commercial, so if uninstalling and reinstalling is just an attempt to circumvent copy protection then they obviously have to leave something behind to prevent that happening. Even upgrading used to (2003\4) require an uninstall and reinstall of the new version with a new serial number. In that case, having a separate uninstall program kind of made sense.

Similarly, the copy-protection angle doesn't apply to the freebies, so that's much more likely to be down to flakiness using the same argument... Take your pick.

But we're probably all guessing now. The idea of assuming it's down to flakiness rather than any other reason is really a function of a preditated mindset. More sensible is to say we just don't know.

  MrNerdy 11:04 24 Apr 2007

If you dont like Norton, then try Linux.
A platform that seems to have little attacks on it.

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