Looking for a new gaming PC

  Sacred 20:02 19 Sep 2008

Hi all,

I currently have the following computer:

AMD FX53 processor
2048mb Corsair DDR2 Gaming RAM
nVidia Point Of View 7800GS 256MB AGP
2x 74gb Western Digital Raptor SATA HDD - 10k RPM - RAID 0
Belkin N1 Wireless Card (12.6 mb Broadband pfft Virgin Media and their "20mb" Broadband my arse!)
Windows XP SP2

Unfortunately the above computer is almost 4 years old now and has developed an unsolvable problem with the internet (wont load certain websites but will load others, don't ask has been the cause of major headaches, tried loads of different things including several formats of the HDD but still no solution) and not being able to use the internet fully pretty much makes the machine useless.

So I was looking at purchasing a new machine for no more than £2000 (be good if finance is available) does anyone know a good setup to buy that will be capable of running Warhammer Online: AoR and other online games to the best of their performance?


  GaT7 22:27 19 Sep 2008

Many suggested in this thread for that sort of money click here - look towards the end of the thread especially. Even better if you don't need a monitor. Btw, best single graphics card at the moment is an ATi HD4870X2, & a quad-core CPU will do well for now & the future.

Strange problem about not being able to load certain websites even after formats, etc. I guess you did try temporarily turning off security programs, different browsers & connecting directly - i.e. without the wireless? What about with SP3? I wouldn't be surprised it had something to do with Virgin! G

  Sacred 22:34 19 Sep 2008

Thanks for the reply, will check that thread out now =)

Tell me about it, tried all sorts (I don't run any of my computers with security software so I know thats not a problem) I've tried it at my parents house in Durham on a phone line connection with Tiscali broadband and at my Leeds address with a Virgin Media cable connection both time getting the same problem.
I've scoured the internet looking for a solution, but only seem to find more people with my problem and no actual fix.

What are the pros and cons of getting dual graphics cards anyway?

Also will the ATi card perform well with RPG style games (not sure why but I always found RPG games recommend nVidia and FPS games recommend ATi) as I play them more often than FPS games.


  Sacred 22:38 19 Sep 2008

Oh forgot to say I already have two 19" Acer TFT monitors and a 26" Samsung TV that I like to use as a monitor so don't require a new monitor so would prefer to use the extra £££'s elsewhere.

Not sure if the above could be set-up to run all three monitors at once though? Would be interesting though!!

  Sacred 23:07 19 Sep 2008

Had a good look through that other thread but just ended up confused by all the letters and numbers for the components.
Think I'll wait till someone can offer a basic build and then work from that here.

Lastly if they don't offer finance I wouldn't be able to consider purchasing a machine until this time next year.

  GaT7 23:28 19 Sep 2008

Read my last 2 PC spec posts in that thread - they should be clear enough. You can always substitute the monitor & other unnecessary bits for better graphics or whatever else you need more. Let's see, if I'm in the mood, I'll post a spec to suit you one of these days.

Best to read independent reviews of the HD4870X2 - 5 review links at click here - including one where they ran a couple in Crossfire. Appears to run very hot & is quite power-hungry. But with that kind of budget, I don't think you'll be concerned about either! Good, cool case & high-end PSU should care of it to some extent.

Not sure I've heard of that before, i.e. about RPG & FPS games having variable performance with one or the other GPU manufacturers. I have heard of certain games doing inexplicably better with certain cards than with others. And it didn't have much to do with them being RPG/FPS/other. I think these days the onus is more on how well games support single/dual graphics &/or SLI/Crossfire. G

  GaT7 23:54 19 Sep 2008

Ever consider building it yourself? This way you get exactly what you want. Perhaps it's something you meant to do anyway!

Many retailers offer finance for purchases of £250-400 & above. eBuyer, Scan & Novatech are three such established online retailers that readily come to mind. G

  Sacred 01:22 20 Sep 2008

I would give it a try building it myself if it's going to give really good savings.

Although I would be a little bit afraid incase I broke something while trying to put it all together as the most i've ever done is added/changed ram and changed graphics cards.

How difficult would it be to build the PC and then actually be able to turn it on and get it working? (thats the part the probably worries me the most, as I wouldn't know where to start with regards to getting all the components to pull together and work as one).

  Sacred 15:59 20 Sep 2008

How does this look?

Corsair 1000W HX PSU - 6x PCI-E, 10x SATA

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 Socket 775 3GHz 1333FSB 12MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor

PowerColor HD 4870X2 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI TV Out PCI-E Graphics Card

Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10666 XMS3 DHX Memory Kit

XFX nForce 790i Socket 775 3 way SLI 1600FSB DDR3 onboard audio ATX Motherboard

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate - Licence and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit - English

x2 configured to RAID 0
(are the benefits of a 10krpm RAID 0 config worth the very high price?)

Samsung TS-H653B 20X Black SATA DVD±RW Dual Layer Bare Drive - OEM x2

Intel PRO/1000 MT PCI-X Server Adapter
(Is this network card suitable for gaming? Or should I be looking at one of them Killer K1 cards.
Also what network cable should I look at investing in, again for best gaming performance, the cable would have to be approx 20m long though as it has a fair distance to travel through my house to my bedroom. Although could substitute for my Belkin N1 wireless network USB card, not sure how that would effect performance though)

NZXT LEXA Aluminium Case With LCD Temperature Display - No PSU

TOTAL = £1829.89 from eBuyer (voucher codes anyone?)

I've never built my own system before so am not sure if the above would work together or if it would be a bit too much for a first system, what you guys think?

Also eBuyer don't seem to offer any form of finance options to spread the cost over several months.

Not sure if i've missed anything out or anything there, so all help appreciated and feel free to chop and change anything. Tried building a similar machine on Alienware and it cost £2500+

  GaT7 19:35 20 Sep 2008

It's relatively easy to put a PC together. But you're right that it could be daunting for a first-timer if things don't go very well, & the thought of damaging expensive components is off-putting to some.

Good PSU & graphics card - goes without saying I guess!

You can go for a lower quad-core CPU (Q9550 click here), get a good cooler & overclock it. Save £120 (counting cooler as well) & get similar/better performance in the bargain.

I'd stick to a DDR2 motherboard + RAM because the price-performance ratio is much better than their DDR3 alternatives. Things could be a lot different in 6 months to a year.

Be aware you're getting an ATi card (for future Crossfire?), while the motherboard is nVidia SLI-enabled. I think you need a X38, P45 or X48 board for this. Some have DDR2, others DDR3 & a few both - Asus P5KC click here.

"....are the benefits of a 10krpm RAID 0 config worth the very high price?" - I'd say NO.

Before you opt for Vista Ultimate click here to see if it's really worth the £40 extra over the Premium edition.

Sorry, don't know much about network cards for gaming, but £140 is just too much! Same(?) card available from click here for £74 delivered. Cheapest(?) KillerNIC K1 £130 click here. Are there any similar cards for much less? Read reviews (incl for the Intel card) - you may find something.

A review of the case click here.

Make sure to read a few reviews of the components you're getting, & may I suggest also posting your components, budget, etc in an enthusiast forum like Hexus click here - an example click here. G

  Sacred 23:36 20 Sep 2008

Thanks alot for the advice so far, will try that other specialist forum and see what advice I can get from them guys =)

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