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UK court rule against Apple

  Strawballs 13:03 18 Oct 2012

Finally common sense has prevailed, Apple really don't like competition.

Court rule against Apple

  Forum Editor 13:18 18 Oct 2012

"Apple really don't like competition"

No company likes competition, it's not about that. It's about stopping competitors from infringing design rights. It goes on all the time.

  Condom 13:51 18 Oct 2012

To my mind Apple has always been about design and not always good design, at least in my humble opinion. I much preferred the shape of the original iPad as it was so much easier to plug attachments in and they also felt stronger than the flimsy plug ins which you get with the newer curved edge. The iPhone went one way while the iPad went the other. Never actually got my head round that thinking. I think most people house their iPads in leather cases so the curved edge is to my mind superfluous. Yes I have an iPhone4 and it feels like a solid rock, and perhaps a little heavy and not as comfortable to use as the older iPhone3. It is a good piece of kit and so it should be at the price charged and it has worked well despite me hating iTunes and everything associated with it. The new iPhone5 is again a lovely phone and is what the 4S should have been but to my mind mobile phones have moved on in leaps and bounds and I think Apple may have been caught napping a little.

I have decided that my next phone will probably be the Nokia 920 as its predecessor was the most comfortable phone to hold and if Windows 8 performs as well as it is being suggested then it is all that I want. Having links to my main PC's with Word etc is a wonderful bonus as is being able to do what I want with my music rather than what Apple will let me do.

You might say that I have been a reluctant Apple user and that is probably true but again I was brought up in an era when you built your own PC with whatever bits you wished inside and of course you could never do this with anything Apple.

  Forum Editor 15:57 18 Oct 2012

"I think Apple may have been caught napping a little."

You may be right - the Samsung Galaxy S3 is giving the iPhone5 a run for its money in the UK market as far as sales are concerned. That may in part be due to the fact that Apple virtually ran out of stock post launch. Stocks are recovering now, however, so we'll see.

  Forum Editor 16:27 18 Oct 2012


Analysing technology sales statistics is notoriously difficult, due to the fact that people tend to hold back when a launch is imminent. Then when the new model is released you can get a flood of sales in the first few weeks, followed by a stabilising period.

It's a case of waiting to see how things settle before drawing conclusions.

  LastChip 04:39 19 Oct 2012

I agree with you Strawballs. It's quite ridiculous trying to claim rounded corners are a design specific to Apple. The American patent system has let them get away with murder. Let's hope a few more countries stand up and say no!

It's certainly not doing consumers any favours. Restriction via monopoly is never a good thing.

If their product is as good as they claim, it won't make any difference to their sales. I suspect however, whilst it is good, it's also overrated and pricey.

I have to admit to recently owning a Samsung Galaxy Tab, and I can only see advantages to owing a Tab rather than an ipad and I suspect that's what they're really frightened of.

Just like I don't want to be locked into the Microsoft ecosystem, nor do I want to be locked into Apple. They're (in my view) as bad as each other.

  Forum Editor 09:58 19 Oct 2012


"The American patent system has let them get away with murder."

No it hasn't, because this wasn't a patent action. It was about infringement of a registered design, which is a different thing. By registering a design you protect the appearance of a product, not the technology inside it.

On the subject of the Galaxy tab versus the iPad, I doubt that Apple is too worried. In America Samsung tab sales reached 1.4 million units, compared to iPad2 sales of 34 million. The tab that featured in this court action only sold 585,000 units.

The iPad has sold 84 million units worldwide so far, and there's a reason - it's simply the best tablet on the market by far.

  LastChip 14:36 19 Oct 2012

"The iPad has sold 84 million units worldwide so far, and there's a reason - it's simply the best tablet on the market by far."

That's your opinion, but it isn't mine.

You can't justifiably make a claim like that when it's only opinion and your perception of a device. I accept you believe that, but it doesn't mean we all have to follow like sheep.

Furthermore, some people are influenced by brand name and all credit to Apple, they have built a phenomenal brand. In addition, the ipad was first to market and therefore had first mover advantage.

I stand corrected on the intricacies of law. The fact remains, rounded corners do not justify design. You can point to any number of items that have rounded corners, including previous mobile phones.

Personally, I'm grateful the judges in this case moved to stop this nonsense here in the UK.

If they truly have innovative design, then of course it has to be protected. But this wasn't about infringement, it was about monopoly. And monopolies are never good for consumers.

  rickf 14:49 19 Oct 2012

Indeed, Apple is such a powerful company and is trying with all it's might to dominate and monopolise the industry. It's actions tantamount to bullying. Just my take on it. I don't like it's restrictive philosophy and because of it I have never bought Apple. That's not to say it is not a very good product. Perhaps it is but like Lastchip I prefer to use the Samsung Galaxy Tab and phone.

  Joseph Kerr 16:47 19 Oct 2012

Well said Mr Chip.

And to Apple:

  bremner 17:06 19 Oct 2012

I do not direct this at any individual or claim it applies to any individual it is a general observation.

There have always been and always will be people who for whatever reason cannot bring themselves to accept that a company can be successful. Business is and always has been dominated by those prepared to be ruthless in looking after their interests.

I remember well people who always refered to Microsoft as M$ and shouted loud that they would never use Windows favouring the "honesty" of Linux. That Linux was a nightmare to set us and use back them was rarely mentioned.

I prefer to chose what I purchase on the basis of what ticks the most boxes for me at the time of purchase. After years of buying Windows based sytems I changed to Apple because the OS was virtually trouble free and the hardware both high quality and attractive. I bought an iPhone for the same reasons and for its innovation, but if I was buying today I would find it hard not to choice the S3.

It really makes me laugh when someone says "i will never buy ..." Because the only person potentially missing out is themselves.

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