joe95 14:04 18 Dec 2004

when I was at junior school CoE we were discouraged from using Xmas instead of Christmas and to this day I never do. I am also L/H but no pressure was put on me to change strange.I am a silver surfer so perhaps with the education system being so,so it no longers apertains.
Do I get the most boring award.

  Diemmess 15:42 18 Dec 2004

I was taught that Xmas was a slovenly commercialist shorthand way of writing, and that Christmas was appropriate for the period...... Of course being rebellious I used Xmas when ever I could get away with it.

Nowadays I have reverted to Christmas exclusively if for no other reason than it recalls the spirit of childhood days in wartime when the only bank holidays were Christmas Day and Boxing Day, and if either fell on a Saturday - tough, because Saturday was considered to be a working day even if most stopped at lunchtime.

In those days it WAS a very short but precious period when families met and held good parties.

Only the Scots had New Year Day and probably lost Boxing Day instead.......... A bit of a change now that last night seems to have been the start of a pretty hedonistic three weeks.

I do confess ........ that relevant data often includes Xmas in the filenames on this computer.

  joe95 15:55 18 Dec 2004

those were the daysI recently went to school with my youngest grandson they can take grandparents for an afternoon I was one of the oldest, the children were amazed at what I told them about rationing etc. etc. and now my young est always tells his friends about this being in the olden days.Glad someone else was taught this about Christmas

  Called it a day. 16:08 18 Dec 2004

Likewise. Xmas was discouraged, vigourously. So from a another ancient rebel; use Xmas it's quicker for a one-fingered typist like me. Not that ancient that I remember rationing. Except sweets

  Dan the Confused 16:24 18 Dec 2004

Off the top of my head, Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of Christ. In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, Christian. But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening. Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.

  Diemmess 16:37 18 Dec 2004

You've just overturned an ikon of my repressed youth! It had it's good days and its bad days. I always enjoyed Christmas anyway.

  Dan the Confused 16:44 18 Dec 2004

Have to confess, that was the Google definition. I have no idea as to it's accuracy :P

  It's Me 16:48 18 Dec 2004

Like joe95 and the others here, Xmas was considered a lazy way when I went to school, Church choir, boy scouts and at home.

Rationing? I remember being sent to the grocers by my mum for our jam ration, because she had just heard that he had had a delivery and I had to queue for over an hour and she came looking for me. Eggs in Isenglass (is that how they spell it?)in a big pot jar. Tripe and tomatoes for tea, or a plate of home cooked cockles and bread and ??, all to spin out the rationing.

I am aware that Xmas has an historical background as a name, but habits like this one will not die.

  Buchan 35 22:35 22 Dec 2004

Fret not joe95, you`re not being boring. As long as there are silver surfers we won`t forget. However the memory, being what it is tries it`s hardest to block out the nasties and bring the good times to the top. I`m all for that,lets remember the Christmas dinners, Grandad switching the wireless on and demanding complete silence while the King`s Christmas message was broadcast, and when it was over and the tears had been wiped away said where`s the whiskey, I`m dying of thirst. God bless all of us.

  Sapins 09:47 23 Dec 2004

"Only the Scots had New Year Day" what a load of non-edible tripe!, unless my memory has decayed further than I thought we from the North East of England celebrated New Years Day with a holiday and on New Years Eve did it as well if not better than the Scots. Let's have that wall rebuilt;-)

Being fair haired I was not allowed to be a first foot, the first person to step over the threshold after the last stoke of midnight, something I have always thought was unfair, and arrive at a relatives/friends house with a piece of coal, to signify fuel all year round, a coin of the realm was added some time later, to represent enough money for the coming year.

We walked miles visiting various relatives and friends houses having breakfast in the last one about six am. You met very many people doing the same with only a little friendly banter, no drunkenness, no fighting and no mindless vandalism, just the odd snowball fight.

Now, those *were* the *days* even with no computers!

P.S. I also believe using abbreviations is lazy, although it is too easy to fall into that trap, Xmas for Christmas is my number one hate, I insist on using the proper term, which In My Humble Opinion is correct for the country I was born and brought up in:-(

As we "Oldies" always ramble on with our memories, what do younger people, say in their forties, remember about their childhood and do they envy us ours or not? Probably too far off topic, pity.

  Kate B 10:50 23 Dec 2004

I'm in my 40s and I can't say I envy you your wartime childhood but then I don't know any 20somethings who envy me my 60s and 70s childhood. And most of those 20somethings look at me with pity when I recall the glory days (and music) of my 80s student days!

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