Legolas 18:51 05 Oct 2006

I have just seen in the news that a mass grave has been found dating back to WW2 it is thought to contain the bodies of men, woman and children (many of them disabled) murdered by the Nazis. The person interviewed on the news says he is not just looking for bodies but for the Doctors who who were instrumental in there murdeers.

Should we still be looking for these war criminals more than 60 years after the end of the War or should we move on?

  anskyber 18:58 05 Oct 2006

A sort of statute of limitations? If you do not get caught within a defined time then its OK to commit genocide?

Nope, mass murder is mass murder. The guilty have lived their young lives.....

  spikeychris 18:59 05 Oct 2006

Whist there is still a chance they are alive they should be hunted. Once that time has passed then only should we stop looking.

  Forum Editor 19:40 05 Oct 2006


  Jak_1 19:54 05 Oct 2006

A crime is a crime; think of it like this: If one of your kids were murdered and the person responsible was found alive after 50 years or so had passed then would you seek justice or be happy to let them have their freedom as such a long time had passed?

  Legolas 19:57 05 Oct 2006

I agree with the sentiments expressed that while there is a chance of these murderers being brought to justice then we must continue to hunt them down.

I fail to see the force of the argument that a crime is less henious just because a number of years have passed.

When it is clear that any perpretators of these crimes are all dead we must make sure that we do not forget what was done in the somewhat forlorn hope that it might dissuade society of repeating these genocides, although given the recent wars in serbia and now in the Sudan I have little optimism. As my fellow countryman Robert Burns once wrote 'Mans inhumanity to Man'

"Man's Inhumanity to Man, makes countless thousands mourn" ( "Man Was Made to Mourn," Stanza 7, 1786). Throughout history, countless thousands continue to mourn as a result of pain, torture, and loss of life inflicted upon them or those near and dear to them--innocent men, women, and children. In spite of the teachings of Moses, Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed, perpetrators and victims of pain and suffering have been found among all peoples, all nations, all religions, and all races. Yet, we must also note the poets, journalists, statesmen, and ordinary people, who, in many voices and often at great risk to themselves, elect to speak out against the inhumanity they see, in the hope that in time parents might raise their children in peace.

Time has not been on the side of progress toward humanity. The twentieth century has witnessed unparalleled progress in science and technology and the glorification of human freedom and equality; it also gave birth to the Holocaust--an event of unspeakable atrocities and death-aided by those very achievements of science and technology designed to improve life.

  Legolas 20:05 05 Oct 2006

Here is the full Poem. It is a bit bleak

Man Was Made To Mourn.
A Dirge.
When chill November's surly blast
Made fields and forest bare,
One evening, as I wandered forth
Along the banks of Ayr,
I spied a man, whose aged step
Seemed weary, worn with care,
His face was furrowed over with years,
And hoary (frosty) was his hair.
'Young stranger, where are you wandering to?'
Began the reverend Sage,
'Does thirst of wealth thy step constrain,
Or youthful pleasure's rage?
Or haply, pressed with cares and woes,
Too soon you have begun
To wander forth, with me to mourn
The miseries of Man.
The sun that overhangs yonder moors,
Out-spreading far and wide,
Where hundreds labour to support
A haughty lordling's pride:
I have seen that weary winter sun
Twice forty times return;
And every time has added proofs,
That man was made to mourn.
'O Man! while in your thy early years,
How prodigal of time!
Mis-spending all thy precious hours,
Your glorious, youthful prime!
Alternate follies take the sway,
Licentious passions burn:
Which tenfold force gives Nature's law,
That Man was made to mourn.
Look not alone on youthful prime,
Or manhood's active might;
Man then is useful to his kind,
Supported is his right:
But see him on the edge of life,
With cares and sorrows worn;
Then Age and Want - O ill matched pair! -
Show Man was made to mourn.
'A few seem favourites of Fate,
In Pleasure's lap caressed;
Yet think not all the rich and great
Are likewise truly blessed:
But oh! what crowds in every land,
All wretched and forlorn,
Through weary life this lesson learn,
That Man was made to mourn.
'Many and sharp the numerous ills
Inter-woven with our frame!
More pointed still we make ourselves
Regret, remorse, and shame!
And Man, whose heaven-erected face
The smiles of love adorn,--
Man's inhumanity to man
Makes countless thousands mourn!
'See yonder poor, over-laboured sturdy person,
So abject, mean, and vile,
Who begs a brother of the earth
To give him leave to toil;
And see his lordly fellow-worm
The poor petition spurn,
Unmindful, though a weeping wife
And helpless offspring mourn.
'If I am designed yonder lordling's slave-
By Nature's law designed-
Why was an independent wish
Ever planted in my mind?
If not, why am I subject to
His cruelty, or scorn?
Or why has Man the will and power
To make his fellow mourn?
'Yet let not this too much, my son,
Disturb your youthful breast:
This partial view of human-kind
Is surely not the last!
The poor, oppressed, honest man,
Had never, sure, been born,
Had there not been some recompense
To comfort those that mourn!
'O Death! the poor man's dearest friend,
The kindest and the best!
Welcome the hour my aged limbs
Are laid with you at rest!
The great, the wealthy fear your blow,
From pomp and pleasure torn,
But, oh! a blessed relief to those
That weary laden mourn!'

  Cymro. 10:28 06 Oct 2006

Yes very bleak but plenty of material for many a new thread on this forum.

  Pesala 14:35 06 Oct 2006

The concept of a war-crime is pretty dubious anyway. All wars have criminals on both sides — the victors as well as the vanquished.

All deliberate killing is a crime against humanity.

After sixty years, the prospect of anyone being caught, charged, and convicted is remote. The possibility of a fair trial is even more remote.

Much better to forget about it and move on. Someone has to pay for the investigation, legal costs, etc., so instead of wasting money on that, look after the old people who suffered during the war, and those who still suffer from its consequences.

If you believe in kamma, or if you believe in any religion, then you should understand that no one can escape from the evil deeds that they have done: click here

  bremner 18:02 06 Oct 2006

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ - Edmund Burke

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller

Why we should always hunt these people to their death.

  Noldi 18:44 06 Oct 2006

I work with several nationalities including Germans, the general consensus is that this time in Europe was an evil time and many nations suffered cruel persecutions including the German people. The perpetrators of these crimes should be brought to justice or the crimes highlighted to prevent this ever happening again.


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