Queen Elizabeth

  Bingalau 17:00 11 Oct 2010

I have just been reading about the new ship the Queen Elizabeth on the BBC site. All very nice for some. I have also been reading about the government may be going to cut off the supply of Aircraft Carriers to the Royal Navy. To me there seems to be something drastically wrong in this scenario. I know I am old fashioned but I think the defence of the realm should come above, before and beyond all other needs.

I wonder would it be feasible to build a dual purpose ship capable of being a cruise liner and in times of need maybe removing the top decks and converting it in to an aircraft carrier? Oh yes build it in the UK and not in Italy (as mentioned in the QE article on the BBC site). Also I suggest it sails up the Solent instead of the Solvent.. Perhaps we could build a few of these dual purpose ships and also remain solvent.

  Big L 266 17:35 11 Oct 2010


Bingalau....For the rich and wealthy it is a new way to spend their fortunes usually garnered off the backs of working people. For the poor it is another kick in the teeth when the minimum (not living) wage is £5.83 an hour and only paid because the law says it has to.

This ship is a commercial venture and nothing to do with the government defence of the realm sadly bingalau.I like the idea of a 'transformer' ship though. One minute its chugging around the globe doing a world cruise,and at the command of No.10 Drowning Street in a war situation, it 'transforms' itself into a state-of-the-art aircraft carrier.A bit of science fiction worthy of 'M' and James Bond!

Yes, it should've been built in the UK in one of the many near-derelict shipyards we have.I would like to see it sail up the Thumes (err Thames) if it were possible.There are many fine shipbuilding facilities around the UK more than capable of building her.If we can afford to build two state-of-the-art aircraft carriers in the UK and have them paid for by taxpayers, then Cunard could have had more faith in British workmanships by building this finest of vessels here in Blighty instead of Italy.

Big L 266

  Al94 17:41 11 Oct 2010

I don't believe there are any shipbuilding facilities remaining in the UK that would be capable of building a cruise ship.

  Quickbeam 18:03 11 Oct 2010

I've lost faith in luxury sailing after The Titanic fiasco.

  sunnystaines 18:08 11 Oct 2010

there were plans about ten years ago to build a massive cruise/carrier where guests could land by private STOL plane a floating city almost. but it never got off the drawing board.

remember the article in the press and looking at the sketches of it.

  Quickbeam 18:26 11 Oct 2010

I just saw the BBC news featuring it. There is a nice art deco theme within, it actually looks quite good.

  Pineman100 18:56 11 Oct 2010

While I can understand your feelings about this, there's absolutely no relationship between the launch of this new cruise liner and the threat of cancellation to the new aircraft carriers.

As Big L 266 said, the liner is purely a commercial venture. It's no different from the building of a casino, a holiday camp or a cinema. Venture capital is invested in the hope of attracting customers and generating profit. No public funds are involved.

It's the system that our economy and our society is built on.

  Bingalau 19:13 11 Oct 2010

Big cruise liners are usually taken over by the government during emergency situations such as wars. This happened during both World wars and also of course the Falklands war. It would therefore be sensible to have the ships, commandeered in these situations to be also capable of being used for other purposes as well as troop carrying.
Looks to me that if they took the top three or four decks off the new QE it would make an ideal aircraft carrier.
This ship as it is, wouldn't stand much of a chance against a modern Submarine (U boat menace again). I know the powers that be don't think these things can happen again. (They may well be wrong).

As an afterthought, I wonder if they are taking any anti-terrorist measures?

  ams4127 19:47 11 Oct 2010

The thought of being trapped on a ship with 3000 other people fills me with horror.

  morddwyd 19:54 11 Oct 2010

"I know the powers that be don't think these things can happen again."

They don't?

Then why are we spending such a big chunk of our defence budget on sub-surface warfare and weapons?

  Bingalau 21:22 11 Oct 2010

Sorry, but my view is that they aren't spending a big enough chunk on our defence budget in the first place. Nowhere near enough.

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