Political Awareness

  morddwyd 06:39 29 Nov 2009

The Scottish Secretary accuses the SNP of a "peculiar obsession" with independence.

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What's peculiar about it? That's what they do, what they are there for.

The SNP was set up in 1934 to fight for Scottish independence.

That is its main, at times in the past its only, platform.

That is its only reason for existence.

Regardless of the silliness of their ambitions (or not as you prefer) what I find peculiar is that a Cabinet Minister should have so little basic awareness of an area for which he has specific responsibility.

  ened 06:55 29 Nov 2009

That goes for the entirety of this lightweight government!

There are 650 odd MPs and I remember listening to PMQs with Maggie Thatcher. She was briefed and prepared for questions on any issues which might arise from any of them.

Compare that to Tony Bliar: I have lost count of the number of times I have heard him (& GB come to that)say the words : "I wasn't aware of that but will investigate and get back to you"

On the subject of not being on top of their brief the Defence Secretary and Armed Forces Minister come immediately to mind. I expect they can sleep at night only because they are blissfully ignorant of how hopeless they really are.

  morddwyd 07:31 29 Nov 2009

I was going to mention the similar case of Defence, but didn't want to gild the lily!

  Forum Editor 10:05 29 Nov 2009

to the fact that it's probably far more important to concentrate on Scotland's current economic problems than to adhere slavishly (and apparently blindly) to the independence mantra, and spending some £9 million of the Scottish voters' money on a referendum in the process.

It seems to me that you don't have to have a brain the size of a planet to realise that the Scottish people might be a tad more interested in a government that worked to safeguard their jobs and businesses in these troubled times - a referendum can wait.

  Pine Man 13:15 29 Nov 2009

Surely true independence should go hand in hand with self-sufficency.

  morddwyd 16:25 29 Nov 2009

But again you've got tied up in the detail of the SNP rather than nub of the thread which is the political acumen of the Scottish Secretary.

No-one doubts that there are more important things than independence referenda, but if the SNP gives up its "peculiar obsession" it ceases to have any reason to exist.

Murphy is suggesting that the SNP would do better if it gave up the idea of independence. That may be so, but that's like suggesting the Labour party would do better if it gave up the idea of socialism (I know many think that it already has, but that's another thread!), or the BNP would do better if it gave up the idea of no foreigners.

Regardless of Salmond, the SNP, independence or any other extraneous diversion, I am simply saying that this particular cabinet minister's grasp of politics, of whatever brand, is somewhat tenuous.

  Forum Editor 18:30 29 Nov 2009

grasp of politics, of whatever brand, is somewhat tenuous."

Actually, I think he's right on the money. I'm not a Labour supporter, but you don't have to be to recognise common-sense when you hear it. Mr. Murphy did not suggest "that the SNP would do better if it gave up the idea of independence." You've invented that idea. He said that they should shelve the idea of a referendum (shelve it, not give it up), and put their country's interests before their party's.

I see nothing but common-sense in that, and so, I suspect,will huge numbers of Scottish voters.

  morddwyd 18:39 29 Nov 2009

He said that he finds their obsession with independence "peculiar".

It isn't; it's natural, it's what they're for.

There is nothing peculiar about a national party being nationalistic.

Whether you agree with it or not, that is what they say they want, that is what they've always wanted, and will always be what they want and they have never made any bones about it.

It may be silly, it may be irrational, but "peculiar" it ain't!

  morddwyd 19:04 29 Nov 2009

Point taken, and I agree.

If I thought that was the sense Murphy intended I would concede, but I don't and I won't!

  morddwyd 06:03 30 Nov 2009


You've also got to consider that he's now an anachronism, trying to justify his salary, and, perhaps more importantly, his expenses and his lifetime pension!

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