I am surprised that the FE has allowed this thread to carry on. He must be sunbathing in the "Beyamas" and has forgotten to recharge his laptop. But when he does, Morddwyd, You will feel the pent up anger of his wrath. I think I will stay clear of the forum a couple of days until it quietens down again. I know it will be asking for trouble if anyone mentions tinned tomatoes again. But mentioning the unmentionable is asking for trouble.