Firemen not allowed to go into water if it's over ankle deep

  hssutton 08:25 22 Feb 2012

I was rather amazed to read that firemen (unless trained to enter water)Man drowns in 3 feet of water, due to health & safety are not allowed to enter water more than ankle deep. This was highlighted in a recent case where a man died in 3 feet of water

  Quickbeam 08:36 22 Feb 2012

I just read that in the paper.

If I was walking by at the time, I'd have just walked in and done what was needed. I might have plenty of rough edges, but I've got plenty of common sense too...

  Quickbeam 08:39 22 Feb 2012

And If I was the fireman, I'd still have done the same and argued that the water only looked ankle deep as it does tend to do if anyone dared to discipline me!

  hssutton 08:46 22 Feb 2012

I'm not sure how anyone can just stand there and watch, but this is not the first incident of this kind, I think the last case of this kind involved the police.

  onthelimit1 08:53 22 Feb 2012

They'll be banned from entering a burning building next!

  finerty 09:50 22 Feb 2012

I wonder if its to with the incident, where a man got his foot trapped in a grate when it was raining, and they couldn't free him and the sadly he drowned.

  hssutton 09:55 22 Feb 2012

finerty, did you not read the report as per link?

Simon Burgess, 41, drowned in a model boating lake after apparently suffering an epileptic seizure while feeding swans.

  morddwyd 09:55 22 Feb 2012

Some months ago a woman lay at the bottom of a mineshaft (she subsequently died) for six hours while firefighters watched because their senior officer said the kit they wanted to use was only for rescuing firefighters not civilians.

You cannot, or perhaps you can, imagine my feelings as an H&S officer when I read of travesties like this.

  Aitchbee 10:09 22 Feb 2012

The poor man's epileptic seizure may have been triggered by the dazzling reflections of the sun on the water, together with the random flapping of the the birds' wings.

The Firemen involved in this sad accicident were not to blame, as they were only following rules.

But, the rulebook has to be thrown out of the window...on occassions. (Or better still, revised and rewritten)

The "Fireman's lift" will be the next thing to be banned because of HEALTH & SAFETY issues.

  Quickbeam 10:18 22 Feb 2012

"These things are always more complex than they appear." ???

When you have one person struggling in water at the scene, a fire tender equipped for emergencies, and several firemen in attendance, that can help each other if need be, I would say the solution is much more simpler than it appears.

  spuds 10:36 22 Feb 2012

The thing that is very disturbing, is the cases that you hear about are not isolated incidents, and it appears to be happening on a far more regular basis.

Not far from where I live there have been 3 notified incidents over the past four years. One was a young boy who was with his friends, fell between some lock gates in the local canal. By the time the rescue services arrived and got kitted out, it was to late to save the boy. But there again, I remember the days when bouys with long ropes were handy near lock gates, for such eventualities.

Another incident only last week, in roughly the same area, was a elderly grand-father taking his grand-daughter and dog for a walk along the canal path, and the grand-daughter fell in, The old chap was seriously struggling to get to the girl, who was a short distance from the bank. Along came a jogger, saw what was happening, then went into the canal and got the young girl out. He then carried the child to her grand-parents home nearby,comforting her on the way, and left immediately after leaving the child with the grand-parents. The grand-parents and the childs parents then contacted the local newspaper to see if they could trace the jogger, so they could give thanks. Through that appeal, the various parties were able to meet, and has usually in cases like this,the person involved stated that he had done, 'what anyone else would have done'?.

The third incident, was a new police dog (starting training) that was being taken for a walk, and some how managed to fall in a local regular used water spot. That dog (Fudge) died, because I suppose of a risk factor?.

The other thing that seems to be on the increase, if someone is reported missing, and possibly near a water location, then the police and search crews seem to miss finding anyone. Only for a passer-by to notice a body a few days later. That's happened four times now, over the past three years in my location of the country!.

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