do antivirus company make virus to stay in busines

  ryde001 20:06 27 Jun 2008

i dont beleive for one minute that computer geeks go out there way to make sophisticated viruses for no money i think maybe some companies hire some of these people to stay in business. because im sure theres alot of highly intelligent computer software writers out there that could probably invent a system that detects every thing that tries to hijack your computer even if it was a ligit program and thenyou can add that to your safe list.

  Mr Mistoffelees 20:14 27 Jun 2008

"Yes, and doctors invented AIDs to give them something to do."

So that's why hospital waiting times are so long!

  ryde001 20:15 27 Jun 2008

hi didnt mean to offend but when you run mcafee, spybot and se adware pro you dont expect new theats to keep getting through and you have to keep updating your definition like we havent got anything better to do. was trying to offend just throwing the question out there for a debate

  jack 20:54 27 Jun 2008

Been put forward many times before.
No one has admitted it - of course not.
No one was denied it either
But that little peccadillo aside there appears to be plenty of scope for perverted people to misuse the Internet in a variety of ways with out the need for the A/V Co's to invent stuff.

  octal 21:10 27 Jun 2008

I must admit, there seems to be a whole cottage industry built up around combating viruses, I'm not saying for a minute it's perpetrated by the anti virus companies, but if Windows was suddenly made secure then there are going to be a lot of people out of work.

  ryde001 21:37 27 Jun 2008

i do think there maybe some truth in that any industry peeps want to join this debate are more than welcome to share some light on this topic

  WhiteTruckMan 00:12 28 Jun 2008

I believe there are on the whole three elements to virus production.

1-the criminal element. As long as we have e-commerce then the opportunity for criminal behaviour will always present itself.

2-The loner type who spread these things just for kicks. Maybe as part of an ego trip too. Can be the same kind of person who trashes bus shelters, phone boxes etc, for no very good reason.

3-government agencies. Before anyone starts thinking conspiracy theory, stop and think for a moment. The ability to damage, if not effectively cripple, a hostile nations governmental and military IT infrastructure, especially from a long way away, is potentially a very valuable and cost effective capability indeed.

But as for AV companies themselves? Nah, they are merely making hay while the sun shines.


  Forum Editor 00:28 28 Jun 2008

more or less sums it up.

There are indeed people who go out of their way to create computer viruses for no money. In the main they are motivated by a desire to show off - to prove to themselves and to their peers that they can beat any system.

Modern software is incredibly complex. It's complex so it can be easier to use, almost anyone can write software which works but has a learning curve steeper than the North face of the Eiger. The more complex a software application becomes,the more chance there is of the odd security vulnerability or ten creeping in, no matter how well you beta test it in a live sample of the market. The moment your software is out there, people (the geeks you mentioned) start delving into the code to find the chinks in its armour.

With luck the delvers will simply be after personal satisfaction - they find a way in, test it, tell their friends about it, and then tell the software company concerned. They've proved their skill, and it's enough.

Others are not quite so friendly - they write viruses and release them in the wild. Their thrill comes from seeing the havoc they create, and from the buzz they get from knowing they're acting illegally; at any moment there might be that knock on the door.
Some of these people specialise in server-hacking, and try to gain access to big commercial and government networks. Once in they leave a message - digital graffiti - and they're gone. If you're unlucky they'll take your customer database, or mess with your company website.

The anti-virus companies do sometimes employ these people, but not to write viruses - that's illegal and could cost them their business.

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