copyright rules

  lofty29 16:27 25 Jan 2008

I know that there has been considerable discussion at various times over copyright rules regarding copying dvd's vhs'and cd's, and know that in general it is illegal, but surely people downloading the cd's they have bought to pc storage, ipod's and mp3 players comes into the same category, or is there a fuuny here

  Forum Editor 16:38 25 Jan 2008

you'll have no problems if you simply want to copy a CD for your personal use, although in a strictly technical sense the copyright laws forbid you from doing even that. A degree of commonsense prevails however, and we can all sleep soundly if all we do is make a personal copy of a CD we have paid for.

What you must not do is distribute copies in any way - either by making multiple copies and giving them to your friends, or - even worse - selling them in the local pub or car boot sale. The law also prohibits distribution of the music on the internet, via P2P file-sharing networks.

  wolfie3000 19:08 25 Jan 2008

One part of the copyright law which is over looked is internet radio stations,

how do they stand?

Also what about the software which allows people to record from them?

  Forum Editor 19:24 25 Jan 2008

Any radio station that broadcasts copyright material must have a licence to do so, whether the broadcast is via the internet, or more conventially, via a transmitter.

In general you'll not run foul of the law if you record music so you can listen to it at your leisure - in the same way that you'll be OK if you record TV transmissions. The key factor is this 'personal use' aspect - copyright holders are not going to pursue someone who records a song to a hard drive, as long as that person doesn't try to make any commercial use of the recording, or to distribute it to a wider audience - either by broadcasting it, by making multiple 'hard' copies, or by sharing it over a P2P network.

  interzone55 20:42 25 Jan 2008

A good point lofty29 made is DVDs.

What's the position on "backing up" a DVD movie. In order to copy the disc you have to break the encryption, do you no run foul of the law by doing this?
Wasn't DVD John was arrested by the FBI somewhere in Scandinavia simply for writing a piece of software that got round the encryption so people could watch DVDs on PCs running Linux?

  Jak_1 21:49 25 Jan 2008

The problem was he was an individual who gave people an opportunity to copy for profit unlike the 'big company's' who provide the means to rip and then complain about people doing it! Having said that however the big company's so not provide a means of breaking the encryption, just that you can rip older non encrypted disks.

  Forum Editor 22:54 25 Jan 2008

You do indeed run foul of the law if you break the encryption on HD DVDs in order to copy the content. The fact is, Digital Rights Management is a highly contentious issue, and millions of words have been written on the subject of DVD encryption. The truth is that the Advanced Access Content System (AACS), an encryption technology which was developed at great cost by a consortium of publishers was very rapidly compromised when, in 2006, shortly after it was introduced, a processing key that could decrypt the DVD content was published all over the internet.

  lofty29 09:47 26 Jan 2008

Forum editor surely It is not only HD DVD that is encryted but ordinary DVD, and what about the court case with SONY? who acually incorporated a virus as part of their encrytion system which could damage PC's

  Forum Editor 10:15 26 Jan 2008

into their encryption system. They incorporated some software - called XCP - which installed istelf on your computer's hard drive, and went into hiding. It was there to prevent illegal copying of the CD content, and was perfectly harmless under normal circumstances - it did not damage your computer in any way unless you tried to remove it - that's when corruption of the operating system could occur.

The fuss that followed the introduction of this Digital Rights Management measure was - quite rightly - because Sony didn't tell their customers what was going to happen when their CDs were played for the first time; the software was installed covertly.

  lofty29 12:00 26 Jan 2008

Sorry the way I read the case it appeared as a virus, or had virtually the same effect

  Kemistri 12:08 26 Jan 2008

People tend to make that connection because of what some rootkits are capable of -- and intended for. Sony's software was not of that nature.
DxO (an image editing app) currently suffers from a similar stigma because of a bit of hidden software that controls its licensing -- a minority of people have apparently run into difficulties with it and the rest have been worrying about it without anything bad actually happening. The bigger issue is the lack of transparency.

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