Anyone with a Gmail account? No emails thanks.

  octal 08:12 15 May 2005

I was just reading this click here and the following caught my eye;


1.2 What is your position on Google's Gmail?

Gmail violates the privacy rights of non-subscribers. Non-subscribers who e-mail a Gmail user have "content extraction" performed on their e-mail even though they have not consented to have their communications monitored, nor may they even be aware that their communications are being analyzed. Subscribers to Gmail also face risks to their privacy; those risks are outlined below.


I don't have a Gmail account and don't won't one because I was aware of the privacy risks last year, but as a non-subscriber it appears I'm still at risk if I send an email to a Gmail subscriber! I didn't know that, looks like another one for the spam box.

The irony is, just a quick "Google" will return tons of information on this.

  1911 08:36 15 May 2005

If you dont go on to porn sites, you arent a crook, terrorist or politician what do you have to fear? Any one reading my e-mails would learn :-I am old, I like Paris, I have a lot of relations,and I have a computer as a hobby. World shaking it is not. As far as I can see Any hacker can get into my computer. So what. A clear conscience is the best safegaurd. Stop worrying.Cheerio

  octal 08:38 15 May 2005

I see you're missing the point then.

  1911 09:11 15 May 2005

Sorry I have re-read your complete posting and see where i went wrong . I think

  Mr Mistoffelees 09:33 15 May 2005

I didn't want a Gmail account because of the privacy issues. Now I am glad none of my contacts uses Gmail either.

  Pooke100 10:06 15 May 2005

Don't think I'll be emailing anyone with gmail or wanting an acount either. What they are doing, in my view is combining spam and your private emails! People see spam advertisng in their inbox and delete it, google's now wrapping it round any personal email you might be sent.

How does their privacy policies/infringements hold up in the UK?

  smokingbeagle 10:25 15 May 2005

For newsletters and similar. The ads which appear are as innocuous as the ones on a google search page. Easily ignored. No spam so far. The hype for gmail was excessive but then so what?. If you are uncomfortable with your email being scanned then boycott it.

  Forum Editor 10:51 15 May 2005

were being altruistic in offering huge amounts of server space and free mailboxes with no thought of return were deluding themselves. Nothing is for nothing as they say, and this is surely a classic case of that saying being true - Gmail is interested in advertising revenue, plain and simple, and although there's nothing wrong with that, I choose not to have my mail scanned by software in search of keywords or phrases.

The adage "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" does not apply - surely we all have a right to expect that mail we send to a named recipient is read by that recipient, and by nobody (or nothing) else. There may well be software scans that are carried out by state security services - we don't know for sure, despite what some people would claim - but that's not something we can personally control. What we can control is how we conduct oursleves with regard to our personal mail, and if you don't want your text to be scanned on arrival at the Gmail servers you'll avoid sending to them.

Technically you own copyright on the content of every email you send, and anyone else who distributes, copies,forwards, or in any way makes use of your text without your consent is infringing that copyright. That may or may not apply to scanning with software, I'm not sure, but it's an interesting point. Gmail account holders probably consent to such use as a condition of signing up, but people who send in to the Gmail servers certainly don't.

  octal 14:26 15 May 2005

The FE's last comment "but people who send in to the Gmail servers certainly don't." which is exactly the main point I was making was about a non-subscriber and returning emails to a Gmail subscriber.

I'm quite particular who I give my email address to, the way I'm reading this is that if I return an email to a Gmail subscriber then Google then has my email address plus all the other info in the email that it can do whatever it wishes with it, including passing it onto a third party, what's to say it won't?

Say for instance Google was bought out by another company, what a marvellous database of contacts and information it has, plus because its outside the UK there's nothing you can do about it, like change it, delete it, or anything else for that matter including viewing your data if the new company decides to block access. We're not talking about a government agency here in the UK, this is a private foreign company collecting this information without your consent.

smokingbeagle, I accept what you say, boycott it, which is exactly what I'm going to do, but how many many people understand the implications in answering a Gmail email? You're probably OK while Google is in charge, lets hope, fingers crossed, it stays that way.

  Forum Editor 23:52 15 May 2005

that Google would sell or share database information on email addresses, but that's not the point. If they are scanning inbound mail and extracting keywords and/or email addresses (and it looks as if they might be) they are violating the privacy of the senders.

There are two ways of looking at situations like this. On the one hand you might take the view that Google is a big, responsible company, and isn't going to risk its reputation by grubbing around inside private email sent to its accoung holders. On the other hand you might decide that where there's an opportunity there'll be an opportunist - ready to scan your mail for juicy keywords. It takes only a short hop of the imagination to envisage spam mail arriving by the ton. Paranoid that may be, but the truth is that it shouldn't be necessary to feel threatened in this way. What's needed is a clear and unequivocal assurance from Google that they are not using information from inbound mail in any way, shape, or form.

  Bob The Nob© 10:50 16 May 2005

.. tends to just be of the subject. Well it is when I have noticed. No one I have ever emailed has got SPAM because of this. I have found that Gmail is quick and easy to use. I have always got my messages quick (unlike hotmail) and I can access my mail anywhere due to the POP access, where as hotmail I need to pay for the POP access.

Bob The Nob

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