Acting on information recieved...

  Seth Haniel 13:03 05 Jul 2010

except they don't

Classic case :- click here

Police were told suspected gunman Raoul Moat had threatened to harm his former girlfriend the day before she was shot and her boyfriend killed.

  spuds 16:16 05 Jul 2010

No doubt over the next few days, we will be hearing a lot more about this tragic incident. At present most of the whys and wherefores are perhaps just pure speculation.!.

  Mr Mistoffelees 17:35 05 Jul 2010

We have no idea of the circumstances surrounding this case and the "warning".

Far too soon to start throwing accusations at a hard-pressed police force.

  Forum Editor 18:47 05 Jul 2010

Just what action would you suggest the Police should take? Let's suppose that before he's released from prison a man known to be violent utters a threat against a named individual, and the prison service passes the information on to the Police.

The Police receive hundreds of such 'warnings', and the only action they could conceivably take would be to provide round the clock protection for the person named in the threat. If they did that each time a threat was uttered by a prisoner they would very rapidly be protecting hundreds if not thousands of people, and when does a threat expire - who decides that protection can be withdrawn, and when?

Such a policy would cost millions of pounds, and in the majority of cases I'm guessing it would be money wasted - the threats come to nothing.

Just occasionally there's an incident like the one in question, it doesn't happen very frequently, and to call such a thing a "Classic case" of the Police not acting on information received is plain daft.

  egapup 19:00 05 Jul 2010

"Just what action would you suggest the Police should take?"
Pull a few off traffic duty?

  FRANKMAC 19:29 05 Jul 2010

I am in total agreement with FE....
However, i sense that egapup has a few issues with Traffic Officers and Traffic Law. Egapup obviously thinks that traffic laws are a waste of time, maybe he/she has been a culprit....what was it i wonder... Speeding / drink driving / dangerous driving / using mobile phones / parking issues / accident / no insurance / no MOT / un-roadworty vehicle.... etc etc etc.... all these laws are set to protect the general public.....but so many think that traffic regulations are just made for the hell of it....these traffic officers are there to ensure people comply with the law. So think again.

  Forum Editor 19:37 05 Jul 2010

"Pull a few off traffic duty?"

That kind of suggestion illustrates just how little you know about how a Police service works. Traffic Officers are trained to deal with road safety, traffic offences and road traffic accidents - they aren't trained to provide protection for people at risk of violence.

  Bingalau 20:01 05 Jul 2010

FE. I would honestly have thought that one of the first things a police person is taught, is to provide protection for people at risk of violence. I would have thought it was a rudimentary requirement to his/her qualifying as a police person. I know they probably specialise in traffic or other branches of the service later, but that training should stay with them.

  Forum Editor 20:09 05 Jul 2010

I'm talking about round the clock police protection by specialised officers. Of course all Police officers have a duty to deal with violence if it occurs in their normal sphere of operations, but that's a different matter.

There's no point in sending traffic officers to guard a woman who has been threatened by her convict boyfriend. Traffic Officers are specifically trained to deal with traffic. Other Officers are trained to deal with other aspects of policing.

Suggesting that traffic officers should be diverted to personal protection duties is ludicrous, and I suspect you know it.

  al's left peg 20:40 05 Jul 2010

Apparently he telephoned the police to inform them he was going to attack a Northumbria police officer at random. Then shot one within an hour of his first call. All of this because his partner had said she was seeing a police officer when he was inside.

  ams4127 20:47 05 Jul 2010

I agree with the FE about the use of specialised officers but, with respect, I think we are looking at this from the wrong angle.

If the police were warned by the prison service of a threat to the ex-girlfriend and her partner, were these warnings passed on to them? If they were, then what was she doing standing by a window and what was he doing walking across an open park? Come to think of, "hiding" at her mother's house wasn't a very bright idea either. I really can't see the police providing that sort of advice.

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