What Pc qualifacions are worth while

  j3nks 21:40 06 Jun 2004

I have a basic computer knowledge, having built my own PC and help relatives etc. I wish to further my knowlege and hopefully further my job prospects but do not know what direction to go. Keep reading about european driving licence and the A+ qualifications, are they any good? If not what should I be looking at?

  GANDALF <|:-)> 00:06 07 Jun 2004

You will need much higher than European Driving Licence and the A+ qualifications. Many IT jobs are heading towards Mumbai and to be truthful, the future here looks grim. Jobs in IT are abysmally paid on the whole and you will earn much more refilling Coca-Cola machines. If you want to make decent money you have to be the best of an enormous amount of wannabes and you need to be looking at Sun/Cisco systems not ECDL and A+.


  €dstowe 06:17 07 Jun 2004

There are loads more people wanting computer jobs than there are jobs available.

We get dozens every week wanting computer jobs, even though we are not primarily an IT company.

Think very carefully before embarking on this and even moreso before you part with money for training.

What GANDALF <|:-)> says is very near the truth.


  wildrover 10:04 07 Jun 2004

It depends what you mean by "further my job prospects". The two learning programmes you mention are different. A+ is a more technical qualification. ECDL (your,"european driving licence") is a qualification that is designed to give you basic competence using a range of applications, most likely microsoft ones because they are the ones you are likely come across in a work situation. Both are fairly broad-based and not specialist. If you think your job prospects or your "basic computer knowledge" would be enhanced by knowing a bit more about stuff you probably know a bit about anyway, they may be worth looking into. Try getting hold of a prospectus from your local friendly learning provider and maybe talk to some of the students and staff (but take note of the posts above, if you are looking to enter computing as a professional, find out more about the profession.)

  zxcv 10:49 07 Jun 2004

Hi j3nks

I am in the same situation, it's difficult to know which way to go. I am part way through ECDL and am looking at it more of a personal rather than professional qualification. I have looked at the A+ course and have a similar outlook, that said, any papers are better than none and at the end of the day it all depends on what a prospective employer is looking for, ever heard of being over qualified.


  GANDALF <|:-)> 13:02 07 Jun 2004

'ever heard of being over qualified'...yes, a company that I do a lot of work for recently advertised for what amounted to a computer gopher....setting up PCs, connecting to a network, all very easy work. The pay was appalling but there were still over 150 applicants. I'm afraid that ECDL and A+ would not have even got a reply.


  €dstowe 13:23 07 Jun 2004

It isn't a case of being over qualified - the jobs just aren't there, qualified or not.

And yes, like GANDALF <|:-)> again, I have heard of being over qualified, often heard it.


  j3nks 13:32 07 Jun 2004

yes I know ECDL and A+ are basic but would be no point going for sun/cisco without first gaining a solid knowledge base.
As for pay being poor it depends on what you are currently earning as to how poor the pay is, being in a very poor pay area what many consider to be poor can be good here. Gandolf what is the name of that company that fill drinks machines as having looked at those sort of jobs in the past they have appaling pay.
I currently work on a software support line and wish to further my hardware knowledge so as to futher my employmet prospects either within my company or elsewhere

  byfordr 14:28 07 Jun 2004

The Sun (and other unix flavours) and CISCO courses run into thousands. Companies are also likely to want experience. Doing a course for the sake of it is pointless (use it or lose it) if you don't have access to unix or networks at home the chances are you'll forget most of what you learn.

You may do better trying to find a junior it position, in which a company will cover the on the job training and hopefully a few courses.


  GANDALF <|:-)> 14:42 07 Jun 2004

'Gandolf what is the name of that company that fill drinks machines'...errrmmm, Coca-Cola as I mentioned ;-)). There was a well-publicised news item recently where Uni lecturer in North Shields was being paid less than the chap who refilled the Coke machines...he took a job with Coca-Cola.

Anyhow back on subject.

I agree that getting any qualifications is a good idea but I must warn that this is an industry where there is huge competition; a vast amount of IT jobs are heading East (most computer problems tend to be password/network/software related and uaing a programme such as 'Timbuktu' allows remote acces and repair), there is an enormous amount of people applying for courses, consequently there are enormous amounts of applicants for the most menial of IT jobs and finally job security is a joke.

Go for any qualifications but be realistic. Your chances of getting a decent IT job or any IT job with A+ and ECDL will be virtually nil. You will need to do more intensive and ridiculously expensive courses with little chance of employment. Go for it if you have the time and money but have mucho in reserve just un case.


  spikeychris 14:58 07 Jun 2004

Depends on what you intend on doing, if you want to run a back of servers and admin the deployment of software remotely to client machines then yeah you will need to be an MCP etc: However if you want to take care of the local councils outreach/in-house machines then an A+ will suffice.

I regrettably say that now is not the time to be considering running servers as by the time you reach the standard, hardware developers will have reached a point of "self fixing" one of the servers I have control of mails me with all the problems its having and at times asks me, if it, wants me to allow it, to fix itself.

The days of earning big in computers has gone BUT organisations will always need a Mr fix-it and the A+ is well enough for that.

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