Router on router or WAP?

  dj1s 18:23 07 Feb 2006

I am currently trying to setup a wireless network for my small business and though I have some experience of networking I've come across some problems.

We have gone for broadband with Bulldog who have sent us a standard cable router/modem. They inform me that they cannot offer a wireless one that is capable of splitting our single phone line into 2 distinct numbers so we must use this piece of kit.

My question therefore is can I connect the cable router into a Wi-Fi router or should I just use a wireless access point? Since routers are not much more to buy than a WAP it makes more sense to go for the router if possible.

Also can anyone suggest the best way to connect 2 USB printers to the wireless network - should I buy a Wi-Fi print server?

Thanks in advance for any help.

  ade.h 18:28 07 Feb 2006

I thought that Bulldog was an ADSL provider, not an NTL-style cable services provider. So why has it given you a cable router and modem?

Or, do you in fact mean that you have a modem/router but without wifi capability?

We need a bit more detail about exactly what equipment has been provided, such as the make and model of each device.

  ade.h 18:30 07 Feb 2006

Oh and regarding printers; I think that you can buy wireless printer adaptors, similar to standard wireless USB adaptors, and these would be ideal for making your printers independent from any particular PC.

  dj1s 18:37 07 Feb 2006

Yeah - sorry what I mean is a non-wifi capable router as the service is ADSL - I can't remember name or model - but am trying to find out at the moment.

  keewaa 18:45 07 Feb 2006

click here shows the products Bulldog sells for wi-fi networks.

The issue you mention of splitting the phone line into 2 numbers is an unusual one. If you hadn't raised this point then the answer would be buy an adsl wireless router instead of a wap. However with the line being split into 2 numbers, I have no idea. Does this degrade the signal or require specialist equipment to work properly? I have never seen this question asked before.

If you can borrow a wireless adsl router and test it out, that might be the way to go.

Regarding the USB printers, if you are leaving one PC turned on then it's easy to Network them through the on PC, without any extra kit.

  ade.h 18:47 07 Feb 2006

I'm assuming, because the question came up, that dj1s doesn't necessarily want to rely on the printer-serving PC being on whenever the printers are needed.

  dj1s 18:53 07 Feb 2006

Thanks for the input so far. I do have wireless at home so could take my laptop and router into the office and test them - I just wanted to check that I wasn't a completely crazy idea to stack 2 routers.

As for the printers I'd much rather have them as complete stand alones - we have 2 businesses sharing 2 printers which we would like to have in the ajoining room with no PC nearby. I assume that an independent wireless print server would do the job but have seen wi-fi routers that are also print servers as well - has anyone tried these?

  dj1s 18:57 07 Feb 2006

Thanks for the link keewaa - was going around in circles on Bulldog's site - the router we've got is the Telsey CPVA 500
click here

What do I need with this for a wireless network with 3 laptops 1 desktop and 2 printers?

  keewaa 19:07 07 Feb 2006

Could you explain the bit about

"They inform me that they cannot offer a wireless one that is capable of splitting our single phone line into 2 distinct numbers so we must use this piece of kit."

Otherwise I could advise you straight away, but I'm unfamilar with this setup.

  ade.h 19:11 07 Feb 2006

I'm wondering about that as well. Conventioanl routers just route ADSL/cable access and shared files, not phone lines.

  dj1s 19:11 07 Feb 2006


My immediate reaction when I saw what they had sent was that there should be a modem/router that can split our phone line in the same way as the Telsey CPVA500 but offer wireless capability as well. After spending nearly an hour being passed from department to department and listening to a diverse range of classical, rock ballards and pop junk they decided that they don't offer anything like that.

It's looking more and more like I will need a wireless router as the CPVA500 is designed for single terminal use from what I can work out.

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