Rebuiding PC with 1 SATA and 1 IDE drive

  Jem 13:05 03 Jun 2007
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I've just started my rebuild of a bust 5 yr old PC with new m/b, CPU etc.

I've purchased a larger HD which is SATA not IDE and want to use this as the main bootable drive but with the old IDE as a second drive (so I can transfer the data off it). I'm going to do a clean install of XP from CD onto the new SATA drive.

Do I need to reset the jumpers on the old IDE to tell PC its not the master (i.e. is a slave)? Not sure if this is necessary as the SATA will connect to its own socket on m/b, as will the old IDE drive. Advice I've found on this topic on web is for 2 IDE drives.

Thanks for any advice. This is a voyage of discovery!

  LABMAN 13:54 03 Jun 2007

Hi Jem,

I'm not an expert on these matters by any means but my understanding is that the master/slave only applies to two units attached to the same cable, so it should be fine to run your old hard drive as a master on the IDE conneection.

I'm not sure if this is possible but if you are running an IDE optical drive and only using one you could run them both off the same cable with the HD drive set to master and the optical drive set to slave.

Hopefully one of our more esteemed and experienced members will be help more.

  Fruit Bat /\0/\ 14:03 03 Jun 2007

Assumimg you have XP on the old drive, you do not want the machine to try and boot from the IDE drive

the SATA drive MUST be plugged into SATA port 1 to make it the Drive to install and boot from.

Installing XP on SATA drive
Once you have the drive(s) connected you are ready to start installing XP.
Master and Slave
Remember since it's serial you can only have one device per SATA port/cable so SATA drives don't have jumpers. On the Motherboard SATA1 Port is for the primary device, SATA2 port is for the secondary device etc.

SATA controller driver
Your Motherboard or SATA controller card requires a driver to work properly. Drivers may be written into BIOS, Try and see if windows CD can see the drive, if not then the SATA drivers can be located on the installation CD that came with your Motherboard or preferably, download the latest SATA controller drivers from the manufacturers site. Once you have located the drivers copy them to a formatted floppy disk. Make sure they are in the root directory i.e. not contained within any folders. If you did not get a Floppy Disk with the SATA driver included with your Motherboard you may have to make one.

BIOS settings
When you turn on the PC hit the Delete key when prompted and you will enter the BIOS (Basic Input Output System). Here you set the first boot device to be the CDROM drive, the option is usually found under the Advanced Options section but this depends on your BIOS and you may have to look around for it. Once you have done this save and exit.

Installing the SATA controller driver
Once you have set the PC to boot from the CD make sure the XP CD is in the CD drive and start the installation as per usual. Within the first minute or so of the installation Windows will prompt you to press F6 to install RAID or SCSI drivers, do this. Windows will continue to install then ask you to locate the driver. now with the floppy disk created earlier in drive A: select the driver and hit Enter.
With the SATA drivers installed you can now continue the Windows installation as usual.

BIOS settings revisited
Once Windows has finished installing you will need to make sure the PC is set to boot from the SATA drive. To do this make the first boot device SATA if the option is available. If not you have two options: HD0 - If there are no IDE HDs present, or SCSI if you do plan on running an IDE HD as a secondary device.

  Jem 16:23 03 Jun 2007

Thanks for the quick responses.

Fruitbat: understand your advice about connecting the new SATA drive to make it the first boot device but what if anything do I do with the old IDE drive's jumpers - leave as master or set to slave?

Also new question:

My (Evesham) AT case appears to use non-standard height standoffs. They are about 3/8" (9mm) high - seemingly becasue they are screwed into a slight stamped out depression in the m/b mounting plate. I cannot find any source of this length screws and my new m/b is slightly wider and needs 9 supports - against the 6 used by the old board.

I have bought some standard height 1/4" (6mm) standoffs from Maplin which do give clearance over the mounting plate (just not quite as much).

Should I go ahead with these slightly shorter standoffs (so allowing maximum support to m/b) or make do with using the original 6 but rearranged to spread the load as best I can?

  Fruit Bat /\0/\ 16:32 03 Jun 2007

set IDE HDD as slave on secondary IDE cable
Put your DVD as master on primary IDE cable.

6mm stand offs will be fine, just dont leave any screws under the board ;0)

  Jem 16:56 03 Jun 2007

Thanks Fruitbat. Here goes!

  Jem 17:40 03 Jun 2007

Unfortunately the slightly shorter standoffs mean the I/O sockets on the m/b don't quite align with the new I/O screen in the side of the case.

I'll have to think again - maybe 6 supports will do?

  Jem 20:01 03 Jun 2007

Latest thought is it's probably simplest to get anew case with a set of fitting screws.

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