ISP's regulations

  vinnyo123 14:09 09 Jan 2004

Hello evryone I have a question about ISP's .As a customer do we actually have a right to do what we want with there POP(point of presence)line into our homes.I am a reguler customer not a buissness one.I am on a cable subscriber line which we all know is pretty quick.Ok my questions I always see in this forum about people asking about bandwidth limits ISP's give so I asked mine on a live chat over internet and they said I have to call so I ended discusion (didn't want to send red flags to them.I been studying networking ,servers and security for a few years now and been setting up an LAN and some servers in my home.Right now I have an web server and and ftp server running and looking to run a few more etc.e-mail and possibly more.Is this considered breakking regulations or not.Sorry this is long but I'll end it now to see where this goes.....

thanks for your TIME!!!!!

  Forum Editor 15:01 09 Jan 2004

you'll find that ISPs are unhappy about ordinary domestic customers running web servers on the connection, and you'll find yourself smartly disconnected if you exceed their arbitrary bandwidth limits. There'll be no warning either, and you'll probably find something about it in your terms and conditions of service - I haven't checked.

Cable providers usually run a contention ratio of 20:1 whereas the BT ADSL service runs on 50:1. This, plus the differences in the cable system mean that cable customers generally see a slight (not much) downstream speed advantage of their ADSL neighbours. You'll rapidly be identified as a big bandwidth consumer if you're running busy websites on a home server, but to be honest why would you want to do that? You can't compete with the standard of service provided by professional hosts, you're likely to be especially vulnerable to external attacks (unless you're running expensive hardware firewalls) and I'm stuck to come up with a single advantage - apart from the fun of having a go.

  vinnyo123 15:21 09 Jan 2004

THANKS FOR REPLY ...I am basically doing it for learning and enjoyement but do not plan on actually having servers being bottlenecked with traffic.(unless I come up with a great brainstorm lol)I am going to be running off of cisco routers and PIX and possibly a switch. .I feel the need to learn so I am setting this up so I can get familiar with configurations and consoling in this equipment.I was just curious if my ISP would get pissed off if they new .So what your sugesting if I don't exceed there Bandwidth limit I should be ok!!!!!

  Taran 15:38 09 Jan 2004

I have a background in sysadmin and network management and despite this, or maybe because of it, I wouldn't dream of running a webserver at home.

Some of the issues involved, in no particular order of importance, are:

DNS resolution

IP addressing



Bandwidth use...

Believe me, with the amount of sites that I run if there were any serious advantages to running my own web server in-house I'd be doing it.

I have used root servers in the past, where I control and run a server held and owned by my chosen hosting company, but now I've returned to using a managed server, where all I do is sit back and use the thing rather than run it.

DNS resolution and IP addressing for your site(s) can be a real nightmare if you try to serve the site yourself. On the off chance that you can find an ISP who will give you a static IP address, you will probably find that they won't allow you to use it for web hosting anyway and even if they will, do you really want a broadband connection open to the world for regular incoming and outgoing traffic on a static IP address ? The security implictaions alone make me shudder, unless you happen to really know Linux or Windows Server from a sysadmin point of view.

If you have a site of anything passing reasonable interest you will find that your bandwidth use shoots off the scale. 100 visitors a day, just as an example, requesting a half meg Flash into movie on a homepage, and you suddenly find your bandwidth vanishing at a ferocious rate. Run some quick calculations based on the physical file size of your site(s) multiplied by a reasonable amount of page requests per day, per week, per month then total it over the year. Yikes !

I agree that it can be fun and educational to experiment along these lines, but if you are serious about web hosting, use a web host. It's what they specialise in and you cannot even hope to come close to the features any one of them can offer you with a home grown solution.

  Forum Editor 15:56 09 Jan 2004

beginning with 'p' I'll delete your post.

I'm sending you a copy of our guide to forum etiquette and rules.

  vinnyo123 16:07 09 Jan 2004

So far I took all this into consideration.As for DNS I solved it with a registered domain name with a oustide company pointing to my servers IP dynamic address.My IP only changes if I have to shut down my border router.Also if this happens which is rare I have a backup application which will send an update to my DNS server with my new IP automatically.Security might be an issue as for a PIX it would be an issue with certain ports open for traffic to come in a bounce to my LAN .Also my isp blocks certian ports but can get around this by redirecting to different ones.As for now security will be my most concern which I would and gonna find every possible configuration
through hardware firewall (pix) and win server AD
(active directory)Ipsec,IKE..etc.
Didn't really want to debate this but very interesting views from here as always with VERY knowledgable persons here.Still if my ISP finds my LAN and servers behind my border router will they get pissed (lol) even though I don't exceed there bandwidth limit..Do not want to loose my POP for this and it is turning out to be a great learnign experiance!!!!!!!!!!!

  vinnyo123 16:11 09 Jan 2004

sorry FE didn't get that warning in time .I used it also I think..........

sorry to ALL

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