Printer Running Costs..........

  Scouse 18:41 23 Feb 2003

Could someone please tell me how Epson, HP, Lexmark, Canon and other printer companies justfiy the cost of replacement ink cartridges.

Bearing in mind that companies such as KOREK can offer such replacements at a fraction of the "BRAND NAME" companies, where is the justice?????

  obbit 18:59 23 Feb 2003

i was told that the compatable cartridges dry up quicker. but if you do a test print at least once a week should be ok.

the colour quality is very acceptable and it saves money to buy the compatables.

  obbit 19:07 23 Feb 2003

as for the cost of originals, don't know how they have the nerve at them prices. rip off britain

  Scouse 19:09 23 Feb 2003

Thanx for the comment "obbit". Obviously money is the issue here.

  oresome 20:39 23 Feb 2003

The high margin on branded cartridges does encourage many more retailers to stock them. So if you're caught short, at least you'll find a retailer on the high street with one.
For a non-specialist retailer with a low turnover of cartridges, it wouldn't be worthwhile stocking the 100's of different types if the margins were low. Many will reach their use by date before being sold.

  dac2000_uk 16:01 09 Aug 2003

Well they reckon that the quality is better when using the genuine catridges however I personally dont believe this for a minute! I know someone who works in a company which produces these compatible inks and they are made using the same inks as the genuine inks!! Basically, its a way that the companies like epson and hp can earn a bit of extra profit, often their printers are reasonably cheap (some epson printers are only £40 now!) so they make extra money on the consumables such as paper ink etc. basically in buying genuine inks, you are paying for the brand name!
I reccomend compatible inks. I have a heavy duty office with 5 printers in total, and I use compatibles because they are so much cheaper and the qaulity seems just as good!! I have printed excellent photos using compatible inks.
A reccommendation though...if you do buy a printer use genuine ink for the first year otherwise companies such as epson don't refund you or you are not covered if anything goes wrong with the printer (another scam!) but after the first year and the warranty is up use the compatible ones!

  Jester2K II 16:30 09 Aug 2003

Why are the genuine cartridges so high? Probably because Epson and the likes sell the printer at a loss....

"use genuine ink for the first year otherwise companies such as epson don't refund you or you are not covered if anything goes wrong with the printer (another scam!)"

Not a scam. If you made and sold something like cars, printers or anything mechanical, would you honour a warranty where "copy parts" had been used?? Not ALL compatible cartridges are high quality. Some are, some aren't. When you buy compatible cartridges you take a risk in what you get. When you buy genuine cartridges then you get it from the manufacturer knowing the quality to be the best.

I use Genuine cartridges in my printer but get them from online shops like click here for about half price.

  BrianW 18:56 09 Aug 2003

Scouse, whilst not defending the printer makers remember that they have to recover their R&D costs from somewhere. There are only two options -
higher initial costs for printers or lower printer / higher cartridge cost.

The replica inks are mainly "reverse engineered" and so the makers of these do not have to recover any R&D costs and hence can market cheaper.

I worked for most of my career in R&D and this cost recovery problem for the original maker vs "pattern copier" has always has been a problem.

If the manufacturers don't recover their R&D costs they go out of business - no more nice new toys for us!

  dac2000_uk 20:26 10 Aug 2003

Hey jester2k II I was only trying to make a point! calm down! This isn't a dispute advice column!

  jospar 23:46 10 Aug 2003

I'm aware that some of the profit goes into R&D, but surly companies who make compatibles, also have R&D departments?

I can't see Lexmark or Epson or any one passing over the details, on were there ink suppliers are, and how the created there chips ect. So compatiable companies would need to sort this out for them selfs at a cost!

But how would Epson or any one, know that you have used compatiables, if when you returned you machine for repair. Assuming you've taken the compatiables out and replaced the cartridges with brand ones. Unless they want to go to all the expense of anilising the ink that might be left in the print hend ect. I think not!

Compareing ink to cars, surly then If I had a new car, then I could only use a certain companies petrol, and when I needed to renew tyres I could only replace them with the same type/make that the car was delivered with, other wise I would be braking my warrenty?

Then I think if they want us to remain loyal then they should bring the ink down to a more relistic price, after all how much ink are we paying for and doesn't get used because of the new chipped cartridge refuses to print any more because its decided that it's empty?

I intend to carry out a experiment here with my two printers, one has a chipped cartridge and the other doesn't. And when I've finished them I will open them up and see how much ink I can retrieve, and compare. I will post my findings on this.

  March Hare 17:09 11 Aug 2003

that I saw mentioned on this forum is SSC. click here It's for use with Epson printers. The instructions are in rather clunky English and take some fathoming, but it will stop the indicated ink levels falling, and thus presumably prevent the printer from refusing to use all the ink in the cartridges. (I've still to confirm this yet!) It has kept my ink levels showing 3/4 full for about two weeks of normal use. It has other cunning uses, like being able to clean the black ink head alone, or just the colour heads, instead of all of them at once.

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