halifax 3, just purchased a Saitek Cyborg 3D rumble force joystick about a month ago. This replaced a Logitech force feed back joystick which had developed a fault. It works well on FS 2002 and 2004, plus CFS2 etc, it is a well thought out design provided your hands are not exceptionally small. There are the usual multitude of buttons + hat switch and a large ambidextrous throttle which allows for great engine control. It's a comfortable devise to use and has an acceptable level of 'rumble' which is enough to enhance the game without being obtrusively 'buzzy' (this is also configurable for its level). One point though, the joystick takes it's power from the usb port so if it's plugged into a hub it must be powered one. PCworld are selling them on line for just £23.50 (down from £40).