advent training course

  chrisorian 14:09 06 Oct 2007

Is there anyone who has done the Advent MCSE? Just wondered how easy it would be to get a job as a 44 yr old and how helpful they were at helping you find one? Have to decide by wed- please advise!

  GANDALF <|:-)> 14:55 06 Oct 2007

It's possible to do the MCSA in 14 months as that only entails four exams. Three and a bit months per exam is doable if you are motivated and a good learner.

from click here ...'The MCSE is seven exams, hence only two months per exam. That is a tight schedule. When I did my MCSE it took me 3 years full on study and I had 7 years experience as a network admin. One exam took me a year (ISA elective) before I felt ready to sit it. Another 70-216 (nicknamed *the beast*) I failed after 6 months study. Some of the MCSE exams are tough as hell to pass. Do not underestimate the complexity of them.

I think MCSE is over the top for anyone that hasn't had at least a years experience supporting/administrating server products. That is Microsoft's targeted audience.'

You may wish to read the rest of the above forum as they give good advice especially click here.
However...many IT jobs are going abroad (BA recently relocated the whole of their IT dept to India) and there is stiff competition for even the most basic IT jobs from much younger people with more experience. If you have the spare cash by all means have a go but IT jobs are few and far between, they are heavily subscribed when they appear, tend to be rubbish starting pay and cobblers to the age discrimination laws, your age would not help.

I believe the course costs £4500, if you have the cash available fine if you have to get a loan or CDL.....I would think long and hard and possibly ask them to supply a list of their placement 'successes'.


  GANDALF <|:-)> 14:56 06 Oct 2007

The first 3 paragraphs are a quote from the above website;-))


  crosstrainer 15:24 06 Oct 2007

25 years in the IT industry, I have taken and past the MCSE exams, but I have to agree with GANDALF <|:>'s post, some of them are very tough indeed, and you really do have to have a great deal of "hands on" network time to prepare for them.

It's fine learning from documentation, and by reading, but the fact is that there isn't any substitute for the real thing.

Maybe you could find a small to medium OEM in your area who would be prepared to give you a job so that you could gain knowledge whilst earning at the same time.

  Bingalau 16:46 06 Oct 2007

I thought it was getting near that time which the FE does not want us to mention, when I read the word "Advent".

  crosstrainer 16:47 06 Oct 2007


  The Brigadier 17:33 06 Oct 2007

You can get better training and at a lower cost than this.
A lot has been written about advent and not all good.
I did Cisco IT Essentials 1 & 2 and passed A+ & Server+, then did Network+ all within 1 year at a local College. Total cost with exam fees £130.
All part time 2 nights a week whilst running my own business!

MCSE is a good qualification IF your going to be using Microsoft products. CompTIA exam are non vendor specific and some companies believe this is better.

  crosstrainer 18:26 06 Oct 2007

Has a valid point, I have hired staff with the type of qualifications he mentions, and have found them to be quick learners.....It's a question of targeted hands on with me taking them out to clients for the first 3-6 months.

Many aspects of the MCSE stuff is only required at a very high level, and sometimes, not at all.

Anything that requires that level of expertise can be learned in time on the job, or left to one or two individuals wihtin the organisation (as is the case with me)

Details of college courses in your area should be available online.

  greebo2008 00:11 31 Oct 2008

I have had two reps visit me this week, one from advent and one from the nlitc. Both pitches were good and the way the rep from advent said that they have placed 97% of candidates in jobs whilst they are studying.
The course he pitched to me was the mcse with cisco. The price was £6,500.
I was called today by a college saying that they could do the compTIA + for 1,200 quid. I really want to get into the IT industry but am having trouble making the right decision in this area....any ideas?

  keneww 12:02 11 Feb 2009

greebo2008 what did you do about this course just i am in the same type of thing you were in course £6,5000 (Advanced Networking Specialist with CCNA)
and i dont know what to do can you help or would you have any intel on what to do..
thanks ken

  recap 16:09 11 Feb 2009

I was attending Windows server courses a couple of years ago. There was one chap that had read all he could on Windows servers and networking, thought it was easy. Come the Thursday of the first week he gave up and went home, said it was nothing like he had read up on. He had never had any hands on experience of a network environment.

Don't let this put you off chrisorian, you sound as if you have the aptitude to do it.

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