Mac browser does not load my website,

  Kalitechnis 17:22 20 Mar 2004

Please could someone who is using a Mac (and any mainstream Mac browser-Internet Explorer/ Safari, etc.), go to my site & tell me whether they can load my it: click here .
I have recently (and for the first time!) tried to access the site on a Mac (I think the browser was IE)
Only the background loaded (all other graphics & text are in layers.)

I have a timeline (layers) running on the homepage, which I feel could be the reason.
The timeline starts running normally after the main graphic loads.

There is no timeline on this alternative homepage: click here\indexNotTL.html
Does this load? ( on Macs). If it does, it would appear that the Timeline is the problem.
If not, it has to be the layers...or just Mac-unfriendly coding.
I used Namo Web Editor.

The site works (timeline and roll-overs)perfectly on PCs using IE and Opera.
Netscape-based browsers don't run the timeline, nor roll-over buttons. I can live with that, but not if the site doesn't load at all.

Very many thanks to any kind Mac user who will oblige,


  Kalitechnis 17:28 20 Mar 2004

Hmm..I see that the full address of the alternative homepage ( click here\indexNotTL.html ) did not register. If it doesn't this time please could you cut& Paste the final part into your browser to take you there.
I feel that this page should be tried as well, as it will help narrow the search for the culprit.

Many thanks once again.


  Taran 19:58 20 Mar 2004

It loaded fine on IE under Windows but IE on my Mac failed miserably. That's unusual because IE on the Mac is pretty solid and copes with most things you throw at it. I've not tried it on Safari.

Incidentally, your statement that the site is best viewed at 1024x768 is puzzling since even at that resolution there is a horizontal scrollbar present and about an inch or two of empty page scoots off the screen.

Rather than offer alternative buttons for different resolutions with a 'best viewed at' statement, you could just put your content into a dynamic or even a fixed table and make a 'best viewed at any resolution' site.

I like your paintings incidentally. Eleanor and Charles & Brutus are espicially impressive, at least to my eyes.


  Kalitechnis 21:37 20 Mar 2004


Thankyou for your reply and trial of my site.
As I suspected, IE on the Mac does not like the site, or at least the homepage. Did you try the alternative page I posted? If not please could you (or anyone)try?
This is very depressing..I've had the site up for 3 years, and never checked it on a Mac. I've learnt my lesson. (though as I mentioned I did try out most PC browsers.)

Your advice on making the site resolution proof is noted. In fact if you had tried the 1152x864 (or larger) link you would have seen that this is my answer to that. The problem is time..I started off with only the 800x600 site, then realised after a year or so that I needed to cater for larger resolutions. I did the 1024x786 which required larger pictures, I felt.
Then came the frame site and I just stuck there!

I have indeed thought of doing the whole site again, with tables, but time is in short supply, plus I am trying to develop a new career in computer graphics, and am right now creating a new website for it.
Again I want to use timelines (I would use Flash if I knew how to use it) (I figure graphics artists must produce "flash" sites, & I have seen several superb examples).

I guess I'm going to have to go ahead with the table version I am "authoring" concurrently, which I had hoped to jettison, using only the "dynamic" one.

Ah well!

Many thanks once again, and for your compliments-glad you like my work,


  Taran 22:19 20 Mar 2004

Designing to 800x600 is still OK at a push but most professional designers are currently working to 1024x768 as their default.

The answer is to use fluid layouts with percentage tables. Even better [if you can manage it] is to use <div> tags controlled by CSS which give a table layout without table HTML tags cluttering up the page.

Fluid layouts are backward and forward compatible and unless you're prepared to write a dedicated and carefully sized version of your site for all three of the most common resolutions the only practical solution is the fluid layout. Oh, keep in mind that some browsers have table problems as well. Opera has a nasty habit of chopping the bottom off your table. It assumes that the last row is exactly the same dimensions to the one above it so you either get a footer that is the same size as your main page content area or, it just misses out the last row entirely. Go figure.

Either migrate to tables or CSS controlled <div> tags ASAP. Frames present a whole range of nasty problems. In fact, if you ask most web designers who work at commercial level they will probably tell you that they rarely use frames at all these days. I've not done a frames based site for almost two years now.

Your second link fails to load so I'm assuming you have the pages offline for rework. I'll check them tomorrow if time allows.

Developing a new career in computer graphics ?

Sounds interesting, and I would suggest that you at least get a good grounding in Flash but don't think that it is an essential skill because it isn't. Flash peaked at the wrong time, died right back to almost nothing and will start to grow again in popularity as broadband becomes more common.

You will need to be well versed in Ilustrator, Photoshop, Freehand and perhaps QuarkXPress and/or Adobe Pagemaker would also be good choice. Pagemaker is gaining market share at a ferocious rate with an impressive feature set and far lower price point that Quark.

Animation is all well and good but the majority of graphics designers make a mainstay out of 2D static work for corporate branding campaigns, goods packaging and similar.

Don't feel the need to go hell for leather on a bells and whistles site either. There's still a lot to be said for fast loading, browser compatible, well laid out and easy to navigate sites where colour schemes and graphics are blended tastefully and with all bandwidth users in mind. If you offer that first with an option once inside the site to view large, high-res images or Flash demos you'll be well on the right track.

If you want to do Flash output to a very complex level without the learning curve or cost, take a look at SWiSH click here

You can generate all kinds of interactive animation with SWiSH, from small banners through to complete sites. Like Flash you can also reference textfiles for page content in your animation to allow easy updating of the site and SWiSH ships with all kinds of toys and a far easier to learn interface than Flash.

I looked at a site a few weeks ago - the address escapes me at present but if it somes to mind I'll post a link to it. It was a graphics specialists site and I was stopped dead in my tracks by the homepage. It was visually stunning, fast to load, it had a very original themed concept behind it and the code that made up the page wasn't particularly comlicated. It was a prefect example of a well implemented good idea and I'm kicking myself that I can't remember where the site is. A sure sign of age, a failing memory...

Anyway, if your site comes back online I'll try both links for you again on one of my Macs.

  Kalitechnis 23:44 20 Mar 2004


Thankyou exceedingly for all your expertise and time. I'm afraid that you have left me feeling that I am barely out of infancy in this field.

However, web design is not really what I'm interested in, just graphics.
I am conversant with Photoshop, Illustrator & Indesign (the revamped Pagemaker I believe) I decided to go with Indesign rather than Quark, as it seemed as you say to be overtaking Quark (no doubt because of compatability with the other Adobe graphics apps, and bundling them together.

The portrait site is not down, I'm working on a totally new one.
I've just visited the Swish site-yes, that's the sort of thing I'm doing with my present site-though using timelines, not Flash/Swish.

Btw, I guess that it's not the timelines causing the Mac problem. I think it must be any java scripts- all the pages contain java rollover buttons.

Maybe it's back to the easel for me!

Thankyou once again for your kind help,


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